I agree-but sadly, that is the EXACT reason that Aeschines will ignore it, most likely.
Adding to LPN’s spot-on analysis, I’d add that Aeschines’ behaviour is indistinguishable from that of a four year-old who has not yet assimilated the concept that the whole of existence is not limited to his own immediate surroundings. Immaturity personified, shifting to passive aggression (i.e. going limp in the store aisle) when cornered.
I’m glad that all the retards have come to oppose me at once, as you may then be dealt with as a group you are and not as the individuals you are not.
FinnAgain, you are a hyperbolic butthead. Yeah, you’re right: A mod did warn me as you cited in a thread. I’d forgotten about that. And as I said, I’ve never received a PM from a Mod calling me out or saying I was in danger of banning.
Feel better? You were right, I was wrong. Your claims that I’m a liar, liar, liar are a bunch of hot air. Liars tell lies–plural. I don’t. Try to cite a genuine lie, if you are able.
As for your accusation of “troll,” I don’t give a fuck. “Troll” is too vague a term to be useful in criticizing people on this board.
Now I’ll deal with this:
Alright. So what?
That’s bullshit. I have participated in many, many debates in GD where I was far more civil than the skeptics hooting and high-fiving in opposition to me.
Oh, and the accusation that I somehow don’t approve of the scientific method (not in your post) is a crock of it. I agree with 95% of what the skeptics here believe, but they are not satisfied with those concrete similiarities and differences but must smear him who won’t give them their final 5%.
Cite? In the thread in question I was simply reading people’s responses about fatness. The only bone of contention was monogamy.
Frank is a shitty mod. Most of the others are pretty good.
Yes, and alwasy for just reasons. :rolleyes:
You really are a dumbass.
Hey, if he’d said that about you, he’d get lots of agreement.
When you say it, though… not so much. Motes and beams and all that.
Ekers, heh. You make me snicker, dude.
Just wanted to say that I found this fascinating—I think you may have actually invented a brand-new logical fallacy of sorts.
Speaker A: I have never said X.
Speaker B: You’re a liar. You said X yesterday.
Speaker A: You have not caught me in at least two lies; therefore, I am not a liar. Q.E.D.
Nice, very nice. Sometimes one finds unexpected treasure in even the lowliest of threads!
No, I don’t. You simply haven’t any better defense to offer.
What a self-serious little twat you are.
Snicker 
snicker snicker.
I guess you’re slumming? :rolleyes:
You just reinforce your weakness with each response along these lines. Counterattacking would be fine, if you had some actual ammunition in your arsenal, but I’m not expecting much. At what point can we expect you to resort to {{hugs}} and “I acknowledge your post”? [sup]*[/sup]
By the way, did you ever chat with cosmosdan? He’s one of those paranormal-friendly members you claim are invariably hounded off the board. He’s been here for over nine months and 3000+ posts I don’t recall anyone pitting him or warning him or hassling him because of his views, though I admit I haven’t done a lot of detailed research.
[sup]*[/sup] I’ll likely make a number of references to this thread of yours because unlike most of your threads, blending as they do into a gooey formless mess of insults, complaints and cobbled-together paranoid angst, I remember it and was amused by it. Also, it looks like you’ve matured not a shade since. The fact that I was nominally the subject of that thread (though in reality it was all about YOU and how you claimed you were being treated) shouldn’t be taken as me stroking my ego, though that is my third- or fourth-favourite hobby. 
I disagree with those who find Example B below to be less offensive than Example A. But it isn’t my Message Board and I don’t get to make the rules. That doesn’t speak to whether or not my opinion is reasonable:
Example A
What’s it like to have sex as/with a black human?
I am not a black person, nor have I ever had intercourse with one (not of a sexual kind, at any rate). And that kind of thing certainly isn’t my “kink.”
But I’ve chanced upon porn (still pics, not videos, thank god, although sometimes there is some dark meat in there, you know, not quite white), and it raises my curiousity to a degree. Not so much how the whole thing would look, but how it would feel socially and emotionally. OK, physically too (the whole “black” thing).
So, are you Blacks (the blacker, the better)? If so, have you ever had sex? How did/ does your being black affect the whole deal?
Are you white but with experience in the sexual side of, you know, have you ever done one? Was it a case of “beer goggles,” “settling,” “kink,” or “none of the above”? What was your observation of the experience?
Please try not to be too graphic, but be descriptive, as there are plenty of prudes on the board (not that I have to tell you).
Thank you.
Example B (The original – See Post #2 for link.)
What’s it like to have sex as/with an obese human?
I am not an obese person, nor have I ever had intercourse with one (not of a sexual kind, at any rate). And that kind of thing certainly isn’t my “kink.”
But I’ve chanced upon porn (still pics, not videos, thank god, although sometimes there is some chunk in there, you know, full-figured), and it raises my curiosity to a degree. Not so much how the whole thing would look, but how it would feel socially and emotionally. OK, physically too (the whole “the more cushion” thing).
So, are you obese (the more obese, the better)? If so, have you ever had sex? How did/does the obesity affect the whole deal?
Are you not obese but with experience in the sexual side of, you know, have you ever done one? Was it a case of “beer goggles,” “settling,” “kink,” or “none of the above”? What was your observation of the experience?
Please try not to be too graphic, but be descriptive, as there are plenty of prudes on the board (not that I have to tell you).
Thank you.
It is illogical that one of these is more insulting than the other.
Weaker and weaker! Oh the weakness!
I use your asininity against you, my friend, just like judo.
{{fugs}}
That’s a “fuck you” with a couple of hugs attached.
Were he to debate ye fucks on matters paranormal, he would experience the screech of baboons and the clawing of guinea hens, which is your style of debate. Soon enough you’d be clamoring for a banning, without a doubt.
You, talking out your ass without having done detailed research? No fuckin’ way!
Hey, a gooey mess like that is ART, dude!
No one can go beyond MAX maturity, dude!
Yes, your first-favorite hobby is having others stroke your ego, in which avocation you naturally remain unfulfilled, owing to lack of participation on others’ part.
Done, and I’m still not seeing your point.
He’s now admitted to this which proves that he’s been inconsistent. I don’t find that particularly surprising.
On which word did I equivocate? Equivocation is where someone uses the same word to mean multiple things. I used the word demise to mean downfall or decline, and I meant them in both examples the same way.
You’re pointing out one of the possble reasons for the projected decline, but the word demise is used in both situations in exactly the same way.
BTW, what’s the Prime Directive here? (Is it kinda like the Star Trek prime directive?) And what’s the guiding ethos here also?
I’m not requiring you to do anything, but generally when someone tries to prove something or persuade someone of something, they provide evidence. I haven’t seen any evidence of your claims.
That’s good to know, but it’s not something I’ve observed. Here’s a couple threads I’ve noticed that weren’t overly unfriendly to the OP:
Lazy buggers at the Post Office are. . . .
Trolls are motivated by. . .
found here
Perhaps you’re right. I have a limited view of what goes on here. I didn’t mean to speak with authority.
This seems inconsistent to me. If he doesn’t care what anyone else’s opinion is, why does he want a place where everyone agrees with everything he has to say?
Zoe, you quoted me but I think you’re replying to saoirse. My point was that this message board doesn’t allow personal insults (which is what you were saying you could shrug off) but does allow people to make negative generalizations about some groups of people. (It excludes hate speech and racial epithets.)
It was saoirse that said that you can’t compare obese people with people of disadvantaged races, and that was more in line with your example A and B.
I actually agree with your assessment about that to a limited extent. Both groups have in common that they are physically distinguishable and have suffered discrimination (sometimes overt and sometimes covert). On the other side, though, group B has the possibility of change as in weight loss for some (all is debatable) and the history of discrimination is not as long (although perhaps a good point can be made regarding that as well).
Aeschines, when I first noticed you on these boards a couple of years ago, I became something of a fan of yours. I didn’t agree with a lot of what you had to say, but you brought a different and intersting perspective, discussed it with sincerity, and made me think about things from a new angle every now and then.
It is because of this that I don’t believe that you’re a troll, in the classic sense. I think you do do represent your beliefs accurately, and your attempts to defend them are genuine. This thread, however, has made it clear that you do take a certain strong and perhaps unhealthy delight in the knowledge that your posts tend to irritate others. Further, when faced with this, you seem to encourage angry and sarcastic responses by offering more of the same, rather than trying to promote an honest understanding of your message. Annoying people for pleasure and deliberately stoking the resulting fires: you must admit these are two of the foremost textboook qualities of being a jerk. Does this make you Jerk, with a capital ‘J’, the type that is forbidden on these boards? I’m not a mod; I don’t know. But inasmuch as there is a grey area between jerkdom and Jerkdom, ask yourself: is that really somewhere you want to be?
I would consider it a shame to see you banned from these boards, just as I was sad to see SnakeSpirit go. Though I disagree with a great deal of your posts, I enjoy reading them nonetheless; you do provide a fresh outlook on many things. So, please, do a bit of introspection and try to dial down on the schadenfreude. You can disagree with people and present unpopular viewpoints without being a jerk about it. Just give it some thought.
So you’re admitting you’ve gone as far as you can on this whole “maturity” thing?
Nah. I’m in my element.
Heffalump and Roo: I have no disagreement with your response to what I said.
Would you yourself take any pleasure in the kind of cruelty that is inherent in ** Aeschines** post? Could you ever be that sadistic in your thinking about a group of people? If so, would you verbalize that thinking? If so, for what purpose?
If you’ve participated in threads that show a very different perspective from the norm, you’ll know that when someone gives a different perspective, they will often be personally insulted because often people confuse the message with the messenger. So let me ask you, if you were constantly personally insulted in a thread, what would you do?
Let me replay the thread with some of the insults highlighted. First Aeschines gives an OP that contains a hot button issue for this message board in which he is VERY clear where his bias lies. He doesn’t hide his disdain for the subject matter. In addition, Frank then posts immediately after that this post could lead to issues. So everyone is aware of the potential hazards of participating. But yet, one of the posts is this:
This is a personal insult. It is saying that YOU (Aeschines) is a shallow person. Note that it doesn’t say that all people who don’t care for obese sex are shallow people. It is clearly saying that Aeschines is a shallow person.
When faced with personal insults, one can do a number of things. One can ignore the insult or report it to a moderator or insult the person back. It’s been my personal experience that if you ignore all personal insults, you’ll be driven off the board because when people know they can insult you and get away with it, they will, and after a while, the level of insults makes the posting experience unpleasant and unsatisfactory. However, returning insults has the unfortunate consequence of escalating the misunderstanding in most cases. It rarely brings more understanding. But it’s also my experience that most people on message boards aren’t interested in changing their viewpoint, so it’s very difficult to come to an understanding with a lot of people.
Given all that, I think Aeschines’ response to Shoshana was a tempered one.
Some of the other insults are as follows:
Here, The Weird One tells Aeschines that he is talking like a frat boy and needs to grow up. If someone told you that because of your perspective, you needed to grow up, what would you respond with? Would you agree that you need to grow up, would you ignore it, would you insult them back or do something else?
Aeschines’ response:
He made a parody of the criticism.
Here’s the next personal insult:
Bricker basically just told Aeschines that the subject matter is like calculus and Aeschines has the same capability of understanding it as a horse. He goes further to add that Aeschines lacks the capacity to understand the subject matter (in case the horse analogy was not understood, I guess).
Despite the fact that Bricker claims to not be insulting, what would you do if someone compared your ability to understand any subject matter with that of a horse?
Aeschines’ response:
And here was Aeschines’ mistake. He should have said, “Feed that to your horse. I don’t mean that as an insult. You simply lack the sophistication necessary to understand the complexity of this thread.”
If a simple negating of a blatant personal insult can be accomplished by claiming that it isn’t one, then it should ride both ways.
Now, put yourself in the situation of facing these personal insults coming at you in rapid succession and think about your own response. If you feel you would have responded better, you might first try putting yourself in the situation. Remember, you have very little time to respond. If you still believe you would have behaved better, perhaps you can share your wisdom about what you would have done.
Let me also add that all the people in the thread that personally insulted Aeschines were being insulting. Did they enjoy the insulting they were doing? If so, does it make them trolls or jerks or Jerks or none of the above? Why so?
Let me also add one last footnote. I’m not defending Aeschines. I don’t know him and if he gets banned, it’s no skin off my teeth. I’m just explaining the situation as I see it. When I take unpopular views on other message boards, I get this same treatment. I’m just pointing out how it works from my point of view.
If you are “driven” off the board here, you have no one but yourself to blame. No one can remove you but the moderators and they do so only after a set and obvious process.
If if you truly ignore the personal insults, there is no reason why your posting experience should be unpleasant and unsatisfactory. If you find that after all, you can’t really ignore the insults or remain defenseless, then you can choose to ignore the posters most likely to insult you. (That function is available here.)
Aeschines comments were offensive in the same way that racial comments are offensive: The don’t just offend that particular racial group. His comments don’t offend just obese people. I hope the dehumanizing effects of these kinds of comments will be seen to be the hate speech that they really are..
When Shoshana said,
it is possible that she was referring to what Aeschines posted. When I used the word shallow, I was referring to Aeschines and to his thinking skills in particular.
Let’s just say it was my professional opinion as an educator. Shame on me for making snap judgments.
You say that you’ve gotten “this same treatment” on other message boards when you’ve taken an unpopular viewpoint. What treatment are you referring to? Do you feel you have been challenged here? Insulted somehow? My goodness! This is The Pit! You have practically been embraced like a brother considering that you are a Newbie!
I son’t think that I said anything to or about Aeschines that was not true. So I am at peace with what I have posted.