Fuck you, pkbites

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Just as a casual thought, try rewriting the “gays flaunting their sexuality” posts as a dialogue among several people, some of each sex, and you’ll get a standard-variety MPSIMS flirtation thread, a bit more explicit than usual, but far from anything offensive to any adult member here. (One assumes that people who do not accept the right of others to express their sexuality, whether or not they themselves do so, tend to shy away from this board.)

I see no problem in pkbites having whatever opinion he chooses to of the abstract concept of homosexuality. He has that right, just as we who object to his views have the right to have a different opinion. The one offensive thing he’s said, in my estimation, is that gays should keep in the closet to avoid offending his sensibilities. That’s imposing his value judgments on others.

BTW, pkbites, there are a large number of people on this board who would think that your comments on your marriage are proof that you are not “man enough” to stand having a wife with a life of her own other than as your helpmeet. I’m not among them; my wife and I believe in the idea that the man should support the woman who should be able to act as homemaker full time. This does not preclude her from acting as she sees fit as a fully independent member of society – I defer to Barb for her expertise in a number of areas both mundane and intellectual, and she is a far better judge of people’s motivations than I.

However, be warned that comments like that without supporting justification from Mrs. Bites as to her having chosen and preferring the role she occupies would constitute nomination of you as M.C.P. I’m rather surprised none have been posted as yet.

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Oh yes I have.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=106820

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Hear, hear, matt. Frankly, I’m tired of the way these heterosexuals on this board flaunt their sexuality - all that flirting, and talk about how many partners of the opposite sex they’ve slept with, and those disgusting married couples, the way they flaunt their relationship out there. Please - can’t you just keep it in the bedroom where it belongs? I, for one, am sickened by it all.

Esprix

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PKBites, since you abhor homosexuals and all things related to them, you ought to back away from that computer.

That’s right, turn it off and sell it. You see, a wonderful man by the name of Alan Turing, back in the 1930s devised the mathematic/theoretic background of computer science. Alan Turing was also happily homosexual. Yes, I know, to you, that’s an oxymoron, but your reality differs significantly from the one the rest of us share.

So, since you shun homosexuals and all things made by them, you need to live up to the standards you set for yourself. I eagarly await to see your good-bye msg.

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Just because none have been posted doesn’t mean that people haven’t noticed it.

Truthfully, I got ready to make a long reply when I realized that his comments on marriage were neither here nor there in the discussion of homosexuality, and that he seemed to be using this thread to air all of his unpopular opinions in order to get responses to them.

I think we could have a wonderful GD about the role of women, in relation to what pkbites has said, but I won’t do it here. I won’t start foaming at the mouth just for his satisfaction.

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I don’t recall him saying that. He only said he doesn’t hang out with gays or have them over to the house. And he avoids visiting his uncle. So what? He’s not raging this big war you guys are painting on him. He’s not standing on street cornors with signs or anything. I don’t think he’s as extreme about it as you say.

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Um, well, not entirely happy, but that had mostly to do with the way he was treated by society and the government - little things like being forced to take hormone treatments, stuff like that. Ended up eating an apple dipped in cyanide, IIRC, rather than be forced to conform. (Not that that would have anything to do with pkbites’ bigotry… noooooo… :rolleyes: )

Esprix

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Polycarp, hon, perhaps my post over on p. 3 was too subtle. I did question the fact that we only hear Mrs. pkbites’ perspective through him and, therefore, really don’t know for sure how she feels about things. While I’m not ready, yet, to label pkbites a Male Chauvanist Pig, I am still very disturbed by his narrow views and superior tone in his remarks about women, careers, and marriage. He can believe what he wishes, and he is free to express those beliefs, but he will be called on them. If his wife is happy in her choice to be a housewife and mother and have him support her, then fine. However, that is no reason for him or anyone else for that matter to look down on women who choose to work outside of the home and label that “slaving away,”–we generally don’t refer to men who have careers outside the home as “slaving away”–and families who cannot afford to live off of one salary. I said it before, and I will say it again. The world is much more complex than that.

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I kind of want to know if he really does believe that women should not, at all, work outside the home.

Since this thread has been devoted to dissecting his viewpoints on homosexuality, and he opened the door up to other viewpoints, then I figure it’s ok to ask him that here. If it’s not, someone just say so and I’ll ask elsewhere.

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So PKBites finds gay people repulsive. So what? It’s his right as an American to hold cantankerous minority views. He won’t get invited to any of my parties, but that’s OK. He can dislike me because it’s his right to do so.

It seems to me that the Teeming Millions attempt to shout down and silence any views that disagree with the majority. It seems to me that disliking gay people is just as defensible as liking them. I vehemently disagree with PKBites position, but I’m willing to live with his disliking me. The rest of the posters here seem unable to tolerate any POV that conflicts with their own, and they attempt to silence any dissent. It’s one thing to disagree with each other and attempt to persuade each other that your position is correct. But so many of you seem to think that unpopular opinions should not be expressed at all.

In a recent GD thread, I expressed my strong contempt for flagburning and the people who do it while at the same time defending their right to do so. Nobody defended my right to speak.

Certainly, I prefer that homophobes change their minds, but conversion should be accomplished through reason and debate, not the tyranny of groupthink.

Signed,
Winston Smith of Airstrip One
Thought Criminal

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What utter BULLSHIT.

When you pry your head out of your anterior orfice, perhaps you can read through that thread again and note what an intolerant ass you were being.

The tyranny of groupthink, IMHO, would involve sanctions for not bowing to the masses. I don’t see that occurring here.

I also did not see anyone attacking your right to speak. I saw people at times attacking your speech, though mostly is was just people who seemed incredulous at what a seemingly intolerant jerk you were being.

For you to be affected by group think, there would have to be a moment where you were allowing yourself to consider another’s point of view. From my perspective, you were digging your heels into the ground, being intolerant, and ignoring the views of others, seemingly without considering them at all.

Please get down off the cross, Winston; someone else needs the wood.

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Well, gobear and others, I have said, repeatedly in this thread, that pk can and should express any opinion that he sees fit. I’ve also said that others have the same right.

If he says something I think is bigoted and hateful, I will say that I think it is bigoted and hateful. He has a right to his views and a right to express them. He does not have the right to express his views without opposition.

This really gets my goat, actually. No one is “shouting him down.” He can continue to say homosexuals are perverts and that they are gross to his hearts content. No one is stopping him. No one except the admins can stop him. But don’t expect other posters to keep their views to themselves. Especially when the other posters think the opinions are more than distateful, that these opinions are actually hateful.

How is this supposed to work, actually? If posters see a post that they find vile or obnoxious they should not say anything? Especially if many, many posters find said post disagreeable? Or is there a post count a poster gets to that gives them a free ride? Once your post count reaches 1000 you can say anything you want and no one can take offense.

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Not so. I considered and disagreed with the views of tothers. The consensus there, as here, is that my POV should not be expressed at all. You call me intolerant for what? Disliking flagburning? Why is it wrong to think that way?

I’m not being a martyr, as you suggest. I’m saying that your definition of tolerance is twisted.

Pkbites[ expresses an unpopular view. It’s not enought for you to disagree with him. He’s not allowed to express his opinion at all.

You really need to look at your idea of tolerance. It only swings one way, from my POV.

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I agree with that 100 percent, and I’ve said the same thing myself many times. I think many Dopers disgree with your second sentence, though.

Bigotry should definitely be challenged, but it shouldn’t be silenced.

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gobear - while you’re at it, tho’ please note that my posts were attempting to get at some specifics.

To whit. When he said (paraphrased) that the mere idea of cock sucking, anal sex stuff made him ill, I wondered quite a bit, since, well, it’s been my experience that males, as a generality, kinda like the concept of cocks being sucked (in particular their own).

So, I asked (of course he didn’t answer).

See, where I go w/it “is it the act or the participants?”

If it’s the act, well then, I’m wondering why he doesn’t have all his friends, acquaintences and family members take a simple test before he agrees to have them in his life “do you perform oral sex or have it performed on you?” sort of thing. 'cause, of course, the actual acts themselves are generally not gender specific.

and if it’s the participants plus the acts, then I’d be wondering how he knows which acts which persons are doing. So, possabilities are:

  1. He’s watching. If so, simple solution - stop watching if it disgusts you

  2. He’s being told. If so, simple solution again - make it your personal policy to not have sexual intimacy conversations with people

  3. He’s assuming what’s going on. If so, again, a simple solution - stop doing that

See, I can get behind (he he he) some one saying persons w/bad hygiene are gross and repulsive to be around, since there’s pretty much no avoiding it if you’re in the vicinity.

People’s activities while intimate w/some one else are exceedingly easy to avoid if one so desires.

So, I’m genuinely wondering, why’s he doing that to himself?

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Gobear, I would really like to see a citation of someone in this thread saying that pkbites ought to be silenced. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

As biggirl points out, nobody but the admins can silence pkbites. He can cheerfully post whatever he likes, not that he needs my permission. Since this is a text-based medium, it’s impossible even for us to “shout him down,” since whatever he cares to write is as legible as whatever I care to. In fact, multiple people have said as much prior to your intervention.

For one, I’m quite happy to argue with him, point out his hypocrisy in remaining amongst people he claims not to want to remain amongst, and satirize his attitude to the amusement of others.

So could you please provide some evidence of the behaviour about which you’re complaining?

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Nitpick-Though Jove/Jupiter/Zeus had an Erastes-Eromenos relationship with Ganymede/?/? , wasn’t Dionysious the patron god of homosexuality?
OTOH nowThat’s humor!!:smiley:

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And you’re pulling this out of where, exactly?

Oh bullshit. He wasn’t banned. He wasn’t (to my knowlege) email bombed. So, as far as I can tell, he hasn’t been silenced, nor was any attempt made, nor would any attempt have been even remotely successful (unless he allowed it to be).

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I dunno- seems to me that if Pk got his views on marriage from his religion, that religion would be the MCP. PK, would be Sark or one of the red-guard guys(their name will come to me 4 seconds after I post).

Other than that, I agree with you. The light of the system should be free. Consenting programs should be allowed to interface with whomever they want