Full body orgasm with oral sex

…There are two types of female orgasm: the real and the fake. And I’ll tell you right now, as a man, we don’t know. We do not know, because to man sex is like a car accident and determining the female orgasm is like being asked ‘What did you see after the car went out of control?’. “I heard a lot of screeching sounds. I remember I was facing the wrong way at one point.” And in the end my body was thrown clear.
From Seinfeld.

Also a Seinfeld episode (same one?). Funnies thing is it makes you doubt whether she really likes the cooking. And of course a subtext of a million yoghurt commercials directed at women.

Dammit I hate when I know there’s a can of worms in front of me that is gonna turn into a long post, but I like to be as comprehensive as possible, so here goes…

“The head controls the body” is a very quick and easy thing to say, but actually negates a lot of things that are scientifically believed to be true. In the field of neurosciences and cognitive research it’s still unclear whether thoughts create chemicals or chemicals create thoughts. Your brain being along for the ride is something that can and does happen. People can be hypnotized by external means and drugs go into your body before they go about hijacking your brain. Does the head control the body when people are blind drunk and vomiting in the streets, I wonder? That’s why I watch out for blanket statements, generalisations and glib assertions.

A woman can have a suppressed orgasm and not let you know about it sure. The same way a guy can cream his pants and control the visual cues if he wants to. Though the orgasm wont be as good as if he loses self consciousness and leans right into it. I’ve had orgasms I’ve had to suppress. I’ve had sneezes I’ve had to suppress. Letting either of those things rip is far more fun AND physically demonstrative.

Another thing is, I don’t know exactly where you’re getting your information from, it’s easy to say you’ve slept with a lot of women, just as easy as it is for me to say that not only have I slept with a lot of women, but I’ve also befriended a lot of women, and spend a lot of time talking to a lot of women and have a lot of women in my life who I do and/or have engaged with sexually, romantically, on a platonic level or a familial level. So without knowing where all your expertise on the female orgasm is coming from, or any of the women you know or have known, it’s really hard to justify your opinion to myself. Especially when I have testimony from many women that flies straight in the face of it. I refuse to presuppose that the women in my life are patently dishonest.

In fact, most of the women I enjoy are quite radical and very frank about their feelings (I inhabit a community laced with musicians and artists and writers etc, mostly progressive thinkers - yes there are some shallow vapid hipsters in the mix, but I’m good at filtering them out and those types don’t like me much anyway). The idea of pandering to male sexual fantasies is sickening to them and the idea of insincerity in the moment of orgasm is even worse. This is actually a topic of conversation that has come up among many of my friends. It usually starts with one of the guys making a claim like the one you made and is usually followed by most of the women collectively chiming in to say he’s talkin’ out his neck. So yeah, I’ve seen and shared demonstrative orgasms, but since I don’t treat women like they are a completely different species from men I find that the candid conversations are even more informative. So regarding the female sexual experience, I base what I say more on what I’m told than the results of my own sexual performace (which are so diverse that I’m either a golden god or the worst lay in the history of sex).

And this is where we come down to types of people.

Apparently there are many women who have never even really experienced a “proper” orgasm, and then there are those who orgasm intensely at the drop of a hat (and there’s everyone in between). So when you talk to me about “your average woman” I actually have no idea what you’re talking about and it also sounds sexist to me, especially when sexuality is one of the most difficult things to generalise. When you talk about sleeping with “your average horny 20 something” I’m thinking ‘why are you sleeping with people who are average and apparently also of limited intelligence?’ …I wouldn’t answer that question if I was you. :stuck_out_tongue:

Now, when I said I disagreed, it was intended in the best possible nature. It was also partially just a little disclaimer to myself, since I wanted to say that I agree with part of your sentiment but could not in good conscience agree with all of it. But then I felt condescended to in your reply, so I wanna address your points and assertions. Once again not to antagonize, just clarify my position, with maybe an occasional good-natured jibe if I think I came up with one clever enough.:smiley:

But I’ll wrap up on this note; do I believe that women I’ve slept with have put on a demonstrative performance for my benefit? Yeah sure, I can think of several off the top of my head. Do I think it is a universal or even general rule? AAAW HELL NO! Simply because most of the women I’ve slept with aren’t super eager to please (maybe it’s to do with my generation and my segment of society, but the ones I am close to would rather die than pander to male sexual inadequacy) and they respond so differently each time we do it. There’s none of the consistency you would expect from a performance or presentation. They might fall off the bed one night and the other night… not so much, and I’m talking about the same woman here, ya get me? The best orgasm I ever had made me fall over (not a performance on my part, just a complete loss of oxygen to the brain) but it wasn’t with any of my best/favourite sex partners. It was just one of those moments. Most of the times I slept with the girl I’m talking about were pretty underwhelming, but that one night it clicked, and I lost control of my body. I guess there’s a difference between squirming sexily like a stripper on a pole and totally spazzing out and accidentally breaking a vase left to you by your dead grandma due to muscle spasms caused by nervous overload and the fact you lost all sense of your surroundings.
As you said “People lose track of their surroundings when they are playing video games or reading a book.” So why not even more violently so when experiencing an orgasm during sex?

Lastly and very importantly, when I gave my opinion on the matter, I shared my experiences but reminded myself and whoever was reading that it is a question best left for women to respond to. I did not present myself as an authority on women and nor should you. I shared experience while deferring to expertise. From this point on, I think the less said by us and the more said by women on the matter, the better.
Is any of what I’m saying making sense or have I just wasted my time?

Actually maybe don’t answer that either :cool:

Then my work here is done.

My admittedly limited experience was that I only needed to “represent” with one dude, and he was an imbecile who expected sex to follow a script (well, life in general too). I should have kicked his ass to the curb even faster than I did.

Other men had no problem with me just acting naturally. With those other guys, whatever faces, gestures and noises I made were whatever wanted to be made.

You are arguing about female orgasms with a random stranger on the Internet, and you are wondering if you are wasting your time?

Yes you are.

That does not mean that I don’t value your response. I do very much.
Longer answer to follow.

Martha? Why don’t you answer my texts?

Nava:

Sorry. I couldn’t resist.

The fact that you did represent to that guy is probably because you are a nice person and didn’t want to mess with some poor schmuck’s ego at a sensitive moment. He was probably too dumb to realize what a gift that is.

I’m glad you have found. Ummmmm… satisfaction?

Dr. Hackenbush:

You’ve brought up some good points. I feel bad about smashing them to bits, but here goes:)

You say that we men should not opine about the female orgasm, but rather should leave it to the women. This assumes the notion that women have any idea about what they are doing or why they are doing it. My experience would suggest that it is fallacy to suggest that anyone, male or female actually has a clue about their motivations and actions.

There is a reason though why men might have a better insight into this than a woman.

Consider the dog. Millennia ago the surrendered its self-determination as a species and became dependent upon mankind for its wellbeing and survival. Dogs can’t talk, or communicate with humans the way humans communicate with other humans. Because they were dependent upon us, they became extremely good students of human behavior. If you’ve been around dogs it should be clear to you that they know a lot more about you than you know about you. This expertise is of course limited to areas that concern dogs. They don’t care about what you think of the latest episode of Vikings, but they can tell if you are hungry before you’ve decided your hungry. They can tell that you are going to get up and pee before you notice you need to to pee. They can tell if you are feeling angry, sleepy, if you are sick, or about to have an epileptic fit before you are aware of any of these things. Dogs are devoted students of human nature, and within their rubric they know us better than we know ourselves.
I will submit that there is something similar between men and women. My wife certainly knows me in some ways better than I know myself, and vice versa. This is because we are sensitive to each other, have imaginations and empathy. My wife has an advantage in knowing me, because I see myself through the filter of my own ego which gives me a distorted picture. I have the same advantage regarding her.

So therefore, as men, we are more qualified to talk about the female orgasm than women.

(Are you buying this bullshit so far? Ok. Let’s proceed)

My point in all this is that people are really terrible witnesses about their own experience and motivations.

I assert that given two exactly equal orgasms, one in private and one with a partner, an outside observer would notice very different behaviors. Why?

Sex with another person is communication. When she acts out in passion she is communicating with you. That communication may be truthful or pretense, but you can’t separate the artifice from communication. That’s why I mean when I say that the orgasm she represents is for you.

That was an excellent point with an excellent analogy. Why some find it helpful to point things out like “[fill in the blank] happens in the brain” in threads like this baffles me. It seems dismissive as if the various stimuli and areas that stimuli takes place is irrelevant to types and intensities of orgasms. When we talk about alcohol leading to drunkedness, people don’t usually exclaim “inebriation happens in the brain.” Should we dismiss how to stimulate a woman in a similar fashion? “Because everyone is different.” People respond differently to alcohol too, but we can start with some generalizations and then narrow down how different people react. It’s a better way to find out best how to stimulate a particular woman as it is a better way to find how to enjoy alcohol. Starting from scratch is unnecessary and she may not give you that many opportunities.

It’s funny, I actually like you, but largely because I like disagreeing with you and appreciate that a sense of respectful discourse has been established. Now you mentioned smashing things to bits, but honestly I couldn’t even feel the tip. :stuck_out_tongue:

You know why you don’t convulse with pleasure when you’re masturbating? Because you know you’re gonna come. There’s no element of surprise. There’s no, will I, won’t I? There’s no hyperventilating to egg it on. There’s no stimulation of the nerves all over the body. It’s just a paint by numbers ejaculation; “I think I might make a pollock… now I’m hungry”

We can opine about anything we like to do with women, but I don’t think we can be authoritative. I believe these truths to be self evident, but I will further my argument.

I don’t know what the dog argument is supposed to convey. I agree dogs are basically a giant nose connected to a stomach with very little brain in between. They can smell emotions that we can’t see just based on being a pheromone vacuum on legs. They’re also fucking blind as a rule and genetically fucked up in a variety of other ways depending on the species. They didn’t sacrifice their self-determination. Grey Wolves just have a tendency to abandon their runts and retards, and since humans (particularly males) like their yes-men dopey one minute and belligerent the next but completely subservient no matter what, it was just a marriage made in heaven. And beyond that we continued to intervene with their genetics until we wound up with the abominations of nature we have today. Dogs seem sensitive and sympathetic to people who like being paid attention to and treated like a king, but only cats understand when you want to be left alone. You think dogs are sensitive to you but they can’t sense that, because it requires them to give you something rather than needing something from you. Dogs don’t really sense that you’re about to get up, they anticipate it because they spent the last 15 minutes staring you down, waiting to be fed or taken for a walk or just paid constant attention to because they’re so aggressively high maintenance. I hate dogs and they love the shit out of me. I can’t think of any relationship more ridiculous and stilted… and kinda rapey. Dog love is all one way traffick near as I can tell. They have completely acquiesced to their own servitude and their very existence makes me sick.:stuck_out_tongue:

Now cats I can relate to. Much like humans, they can sense all the same crap a dog can. Only half the time they give no shits, because their independence and sense of self is so much stronger than dogs and often stronger than half of the humans you’ll meet. Apparently (according to anecdotal evidence) a cat can tell when someone is about to die, but they couldn’t give two shits if you’re about to get up and take a piss… especially if they’ve just gotten comfy on your lap. See a cat knows what it wants, and what it needs, and for the most part it’s needs and desires match up pretty evenly. Surely you can hold your piss another 15 minutes is the cat’s opinion. Cats… what a guy.

People can be a terrible witness to their own experiences and motivations, but once again, not a rule. The best minds in history weren’t. In fact they were the only good witness to their own or anybody else’s experience and motivations. Socrates understood what motivated Plato better than Plato did. Socrates also understood what motivated Socrates better than Plato did. Socrates was just a lot more with it than Plato. Speaking of dogs earlier, the great Cynic Diogines also was a greater witness to his own motivations than those around him. So I don’t see the concrete logic in what you’re saying there either.

Now… “you can’t separate the artifice from communication.” You have a knack for ending your posts on something I wholeheartedly agree with. Yes I believe this to be patently true also. However to clarify, I think during sex is the time when this is least true. It’s the time when the artifice is most broken down and the primitive reptilian-monkey comes out to play (if you’re doing it right, in my opinion).

I believe the point of orgasm is when communication ends and is supplanted by an honest state of being. For a while at least, until the usual distracting faculties and cognitive functions come back into play.

And also, no, no matter what, we can never be a greater authority on any female experience than women can. This truth I hold to be self evident.

So basically in a nut shell. I think it would be funny if an alien came to earth one day specifically to ask your wife what it’s like being kicked in the balls. It sounds kind of absurd, like something from a Vonnegut book doesn’t it?

:cool:

Yeah I think there’s something to what you are saying. But the basics are universal and are taught. I’m sure you’ve had some kind of experience that involves the words “now here is the clitoris…” probably in sex ed or something. There are things that are generally true and useful to know. Not many, a few basics. The sex equivalent of learning the E, A, D, G, C, and F chords before going off to play some rock and roll. But as you progress, if you start trying to bust out some jazz with someone who is all about thrash metal, or hip hop… that’s when communicating and learning through experimentation becomes important. You can’t expect the same E/D/A/D chord progression to work on everyone. You might need to mix it up and there’s no guidelines for that.

Also the “In the brain” statement is very valid for this particular thread, which isn’t about how to bring a woman to orgasm, but rather where in the body orgasms are experienced. So now I ask you “where is inebriation most strongly experienced, in the body or the brain?” It’s a combination of both, but be honest, it’s mostly the brain isn’t it? Also it was about the true/falseness of certain kind of orgasms. Guy wanted to know whether girls were faking orgasms for him and where a clitoral orgasm is felt in the body. Anyone sexually experienced is going to say, “they might be faking and the orgasm is experienced in the brain” cause these are the answers that we understand to be the most universally true. Otherwise everything else is a learning curve and there’s no short cut. You just gotta get in there and learn as you go. But yeah, learn your basic chords, or at least how to play Wild Thing by the Troggs and The Rumble by Link Wray before you book your first gig. That should be down to Sex Ed in school though, as far as I’m concerned.

The question in the OP was:

Is it possible to experience a full-body orgasm, with tingling sensations that come in waves from your head down to your toes only with oral sex?

It’s about both, but more about the former. The OP is asking what stimuli will create a certain type of orgasm (how to bring a woman to a [particular type of] orgasm). It’s about intensity, and to some degree what sensations radiate to places outside of the genitals. I find “it happens in the brain” to be somewhat dismissive and unnecessary and in line with your statement, “a very quick and easy thing to say.” I find it no more helpful than “inebriation happens in the brain” or “when you get beat with a bat, the pain happens in the brain.” People get that.

Yeah I get what you’re saying. I think I was a bit unclear with my last response. I was trying to be succinct cause even though I think it’s important to be generous when answering a question and be as comprehensive as possible, it’s also really draining and I’m getting to the point of burn-out. But I’ll try one more time to explain my opinion, and if it still doesn’t gel with you or there’s something I said you wanna focus in on in particular, I’ll have to get back to you at a later point. I was just saying that I understand why people are emphasising the brain as a sex organ, because it is overlooked and under-considered quite often, despite being one of the key factors in sexual arousal, especially for women, but also for men quite often as well.

From my understanding the OP mainly just wanted to know if his gf was faking her orgasms or whatever. Peripheral to that was the question about whether certain kinds of stimulation create an orgasm that radiate through the whole body vs being smaller scale and localized to the genitalia or pelvic region, that lead to the discussion of where male orgasms are localised and some folks (myself included) felt the need to mention that regardless of what the input or physical stimulus is, the brain is the primary erogenous zone, and because the orgasm creates a state of blissful confusion it’s usually difficult to specify physically what’s happening in your body because your brain is the part of your body most affected by the hormones released. How much bodily control is retained or lost does not seem to have much of anything to do with how the orgasm is achieved rather it is the intensity of the orgasm that seems to be the difference maker. Most people cannot predict what variable(s) will trigger an intense orgasm vs an average one. It is not only different from person to person, but each person will find that from day to day this will change. Sexual proclivities can change from moment to moment and definitely over time. People tend to develop more sexual kinks as they age simply because they need to keep their brain interested in sex, every now and then there needs to be something new or it loses its thrill. Kind of like food, the reason we don’t like to eat the same thing day in and day out isn’t because our bodies need variety to stay alive, it’s because our brains need variety to stay interested.

The other reason the brain is emphasised in a situation like this is because it’s the only universally agreed upon key factor, since each person truly has quite a unique sexuality, so any other advice might turn out to be unhelpful because of its failure to apply to the sexual partner in question. Reports of women orgasming without even being touched are becoming more common as female sexuality is become de-stygmatised. What if the best way to make a woman orgasm is to look at her a certain way? Comes back to the brain again.

Otherwise basic biological advice regarding anatomy and also maybe what NOT to do during sex could prove helpful, but getting a man to give you the skinny on the female orgasm on a message board is not as good an idea as just asking the girl you are sleeping with what she likes. If she is sexually inexperienced then telling her to let you know how she feels as you explore her body is the best bet. Do that with each girl you sleep with and eventually you’ll get better at reading non-verbal cues, even with new partners, and you might not need to communicate verbally very much at all. But still you can’t just go in with a plan, you gotta be prepared to experiment and improvise and communicate.

At last count there was approx. one woman commenting in this thread and I doubt she wants to give anyone a detailed run down of what gets her going, but even if she did, you’d be very lucky if you could simply apply that info to the next woman you sleep with and have it pay off. If this thread was full of women discussing what they enjoy sexually you might be able to average things out and learn something you would find useful, but I’m sure there’s already way too many dudes in the thread for that discussion to actually happen.

I really wish there was something I could say that was more helpful.

If someone makes a statement along the lines of “it’s all mind over matter” and you need to remind them that the mind can be helpless sometimes, inebriation is a good example. But if someone asks “what do you do to a woman’s body to ensure she has the most powerfully mind melting orgasm possible?” if I’m gonna be completely honest I have no simple or complicated answer that is universally or even generally true. You might as well ask me “how long is a piece of string?” or “which way does the wind blow?”

I just fumble with the lock until it clicks open.:o

I guess it’s really unhelpful but what else can a guy say on the matter without just making stuff up? There’s a half a dozen women that I got to know so well that I probably could give advice specific to them, but otherwise we’re all flying blind. Women too, a lot of women don’t know how get a man off using just their hands, or just their mouth or whatever, and each guy is different too. Some guys like heavy suction and slurping sounds, for me good oral sex is more about what the woman does with her tongue and how soft her lips are, but mostly it’s about whatever mood I’m in.

I’m really tired and underslept right now, so I think that’s the best response I can give to what you’re wondering… without transitioning that is, and even then…

Ultimately my advice is useless, except for the bit where I say; don’t be bashful, communicate with the women in your life and see what advice they give you. Everything else I say, may have a grain of accuracy but will be totally open to conjecture. That’s the long and short of sex I’m afraid. I just hope trying to give you the most honest answer I can was of some small value in helping you mull these kind of things over. Also keeping in mind that women are people, not puzzles, is something that has always helped me with the learning process. My obligation when I’m with a woman is to be genuine and fun to hang with not to crack a code, besides which, if she likes me she’ll help me crack the code anyway.

Some women definitely have full-body orgasms when getting eaten out - that in many cases rival orgasms they get with straight sex.

I’m typically “the other guy” in my relationships with women, and one of my favorite things is to go down on a woman whose husband/boyfriend refuses to do so. Many women like getting eaten, but won’t always admit it :wink: