I was thinking that maybe Joffrey will surprise us all by having his guards kill Tywin when Tywin tries to stop him from doing the things he loves. Joffrey would surely perceive Tywin as a threat and he now has a pretty handy tool for dealing with threats.
Also, might Jamie at some point try to influence Joffrey by claiming that he is Joffrey’s real father. “Look in a mirror my son … see any Baratheon in your face? You are ALL Lannister!”
I’m starting to wonder, what’s going to happen with Gendry? The fact that he was Robert’s son was a big plot point up to the beginning of the second season. It hasn’t really come up since Arya claimed that the dead kid was Gendry. Is his lineage ever going to come up again? I think pretty much everyone who knew who he was is dead.
Dany is very nice, but I think she looks much better as a (in real life) brunette. Since I tend to go for the crazy bitches, there’s something about Melisandre that turns me on like no other. Maybe it’s the voice - I just love her voice! The night is dark and full of terrors. Together, we could make many shadow babies!
I think what they’ve done is to create a situation in which several people can each claim some reason why they should be the ruler. Joffrey is the eldest eligible legitimate son of the previous king. But Dany is the closest relative of the king before him, who was killed by Jaime and was insane, but was the last of a long dynasty. And Gendry is the oldest son of the previous king. Renly was, I think, the brother of the previous king. Who else have they mentioned?
Basically, they should all go before Judge Judy, each present their case and let her decide.
But the difference is no one is presenting Gendry’s case, or even seems to know who he is. So is there a point to his story? Is there going to be a “King Gendry” storyline in a future season?
The only way Gendry would have a claim to the throne would be by raising an army and taking it by force. Which i guess is how everyone else does it anyways.
Nitpick: Joffrey is not the eldest legitimate son of Robert Baratheon; he is the illegitimate offspring of Cersei and her brother Jaime, a vicious “rumor” which most of the realm at this point seems to accept as truth. Yes, he holds the throne due to the appearance of legitimacy, but his illegitimacy is the basis for Stannis’ claim to the title. Stannis is the eldest brother of King Robert, and claims the throne because Robert did not have a legitimate heir. Renly, meanwhile, is the younger brother of Stannis and Robert, and claimed the throne, well, just because. (He felt he would be a better king, and have more popular support, than the stern and humorless Stannis.) I think it’s worthwhile to note Stannis would probably not have challenged Joffrey had he not known Joffrey was illegitimate – he’s very similar to Ned Stark in that he would uphold the proper order no matter how much he wanted otherwise.
Dany’s claim is a bit more involved, in that yes, her family ruled for generations and were deposed due to the “Mad King” being slain in the uprising led by Robert Baratheon and aided by the Starks and Lannisters. To her and her supporters, the Targaryens are still the rightful rulers of Westeros, and Robert and his ilk are still referred to as usurpers. Of course, possession being nine tenths of the law, she knows she will have to depose the current rulers to regain the throne – but she does see it as her birthright.
Regarding Robert’s bastards, remember that Jon Arryn had been investigating them prior to Ned Stark’s arrival, and Ned followed in his footsteps. The availability of prostitutes and willing mistresses in King’s Landing and the tacit approval of the king’s indulgences (indeed any nobleman’s indulgences, apparently) would make it easy to track his offspring; it’s not like the mothers were secretive about their progeny.
How? Stannis only made the claim because Robert has no sons that Stannis knows about, therefore the eldest brother is the rightful king. When did he side against the proper order?
Yep, and so did the honorable Ned Stark. And that was because the Targaryens at that point were no longer perceived to be honorable and proper themselves. The rebellion was seen as better for the realm than the continuing rule of insanity.
The Starks (& other men of the North, like Mormont) still thought there was some honor in joining the Night’s Watch. But they seem to have thought the Wildlings were the main danger behind the Wall. There were old stories about weirder creatures–but they were generally considered old wives’ tales. The more learned had begun to suspect something more occult was afoot–but everybody down South has become distracted by civil war & general unrest…