It doesn’t? Well ok what were Melisandre and the warlocks of Quarth “doing” their whole lives if magic did not exist until the dragon eggs hatched? Just dicking around and hey whoa in the last three months this shit just got real! The show seems to imply that.
I can take magic in a story, but the magic has to have rules. It can’t just be random, we spend two seasons watching a show that tells us magic is gone or just returning and then a chick gives birth to a shadow demon assassin…I mean shouldn’t the other characters have been in disbelief? Said they had never heard of such a thing, or have heard of it in an olde booke?
Can Ygritte just give birth to a pegasus in the next episode and fly off with Jon Snow to their honeymoon and you’ll just have to take it viewer?
I don’t feel they should spell out the rules of magic. Magic use is rare in this world and is shown to have serious limitations. Khal drogue was brought back from the dead but as a vegetable. Melisandre could only make one shadow child with Stannis as he wasn’t strong enough to make more. the guy that has visions has epileptic fits. the wizards of quartz seemed pretty much to only be able to do illusions. Every time Beric is brought back he is a bit more drained and lacking bits of his soul. Danys dragons seem like the most powerful magic in the world so far and they are quite limited until they are full grown.
Kat isn’t educated? I mean just a few lines of dialogue? Her telling someone what she saw was something that had to be magic, old time magic?
The dragons were nicely and well foreshadowed and set up, by the time we have seen live dragons we had also seen.
Dragon bones of adult dragons.
Historical accounts of dragons used in battle.
Told the eggs are petrified.
Told dragons are now extinct.
Harrenhal was melted(and we’re told only dragon fire could do this).
I could easily accept dragons with all that, I wish they had spent just a few lines of dialogue setting up shadow demon babies and other stuff.
On magic–the shadow demon seems somewhat analogous to an Invisible Stalker, and Beric seems to lose one point of constitution each time he receives a Raise Dead…maybe it is somewhat loosely based on good old AD&D concepts…
Magic really was considered a thing of the past. Now, that’s not true. Nobody knows all the rules yet–people in different parts of the world are noticing different bits of the change. Perhaps we’ll get to see somebody trying to figure things out–although too many folks are distracted by (1) who gets to sit on that uncomfortable throne and (2) how to stay alive while the other folks are fighting over said throne.
I’ve got a bunch of questions about this episode. Y’all seem to be following along a bit closer than I am, so hopefully you can either fill me in, or provide enough fanwank/logical assumptions for these to make sense:
Why did Littlefinger give up Roz to Joffrey?
Why was Sansa so sad to see Littlefinger’s ship sail away?*
How did Melissandre know a) Gendry exists and b) where he was?
Could Sam be any more pathetic?
*I assume it’s because she’s just been told that she has to marry Tyrion, and the boat would have been her last chance to escape King’s Landing. The wife disagrees that would cause such an emotional reaction.
Because he had offered to take her away and she turned him down to marry Loras.
She is a priest for a god who actually does shit, and she has known things that were going to happen before (she knew Davos son was going to die in a fire).
Maybe I missed something but why did the Beyond the Wall clan choose the most difficult way past the wall? Aren’t there easier ways around for smaller groups?
The deserter from Se.1Ep.1 made it past. A direwolf made it past. Osha and her group made it past. So why climb 600’ up the thing?
Watched it again with closed captioning, he said fringed sleeves. I love how many things i always catch on second watching that i missed the first time. Joffrey’s bolt placement was exactly the same as Aryas. The freaking horn Theon was bitching about during the siege of winterfell is what crazy torture guy uses to wake him up. And Littlefinger really really hates bad investments.
Yeah, I was lost a few times in this episode also.
What do we know about “Gendry”? All I seem to remember from prior episodes is that he wanted out of King’s Landing. I wouldn’t have even known his name if not for reading this thread. Is he related to Stannis somehow (that we know of)?
So Bran and his crew are going to The WALL? Why aren’t they going to King Rob and Momma Stark?
The whole conversation with Littlefinger and Varys. No clue what they were talking about. Was it that Varys told the Lannisters about Littlefinger’s plan to take Sansa away? Or was it just about Ros getting outed as a spy as was mentioned upthread. (Would never have put that together otherwise, thanks.)
What’s all this “Magic just started happening in the last few months” talk?
Magic just started happening in the vicinity of the characters we’re following, in the last few months. Big difference.
There’s not a lot and it tends to happen outside the limelight in subtle, often ambiguous ways. The few times it’s been clear-cut (shadow assassin, resurrection, fireproof princess) it’s startled the shit out of onlookers.
He’s King Robert’s bastard son. Really, he was part of what set this whole story in motion, when the Hand found out about him and figured out Joffrey wasn’t really Robert’s son.
The Maester told him to. Going to Robb would mean walking through a war zone where they can’t trust anybody. The Wall was the safest place because they don’t know about all the crap that’s been going down.
Littlefinger wanted Sansa. Varys plotted to get Sansa over to the Tyrells. So Littlefinger stole her back for the Lannisters. So they both failed in the end.