Yeah, that was kinda a dick move, unless Greyscale doesnt work like that.
My point was, if we can’t take fictional claims about the nature of the Lord of Light at face value, why should we take fictional claims about the nature of demons at face value? It all made up, so if you suspend disbelief for one, you has to suspend disbelief for the other.
Umm… no. For one thing, Jorah had it on his wrist and not his hand. The shot of him offering her his hand was there for symbolic effect - that is, to show him winning back her trust.
For another thing, he offered her his right hand, and the infection was shown previously as being on his left wrist, which was covered up by his armor anyway.
And most importantly, it’s not even clear that it’s really contagious in people who haven’t become full-blown stonemen, because in this very same episode Stannis kisses Shireen on the forehead dangerously close if not on top of the infected tissue on her face, and doesn’t seem to be concerned about it. My theory is that contracting it through touch is probably only likely once the disease has progressed to its late stages (i.e. Stone Man style), and in the earlier stages the risk is lesser, if there is a risk at all.
ETA: and to add to that theory, if it was so incredibly contagious even in its early stages it wouldn’t make sense that they’d even keep infected people around at all. Far too risky just being near them; they’d need to be exiled, quarantined, or killed pretty much right away. But as it is, people who are infected do get exiled but not until the disease has consumed most or all of their bodies.
Shereen has been cured. Her disfigurement is just a scar-like remnant.
Are the Dorne scenes filmed in Morocco?
I just hope that Iphigenia at Aspen was successful and allows them to overrun the Ramseys. I’d hate to think of Melisandre going “Oops! Guess it doesn’t work with girls”.
Did Arya chicken out on poisoning the thin man or just get distracted by Meryn Brant?
Since we saw Sansa steal the shank this season, I’m guessing she’ll use it in the season finale. I just hope she’s not pregnant.
The problem is that this has not been established to be the belief and/or experience of most people in the GoT world.
All the wise nods over how Stannis Had To Make The Tough Decision is, frankly, ridiculous. No character in the show had any reason to actually believe that human sacrifice inevitably results in goodies or good luck or CARE packages from the deity or any other thing that would justify said-human-sacrifice as being a Smart Move.
All that’s been set up in HBO’s Game of Thrones is a faux-medieval world that had virtually no magic in it until very recently–magic that’s been visible to only a very few. The soldiers in that camp might “have faith” in some religion to which they’ve been introduced.
But what they would NOT have plausibly had, is any expectation that burning a little kid alive would be the key to a wonderful new world of success in battle or in finding provisions. No foundation for such a belief has been presented in this television show.
Well-said. I agree with all of this.
I think you’ve nailed it. The death of Shireen was the most blatantly-manipulative scene shown on television in, perhaps, decades. Just deplorable.
At this point, I’m watching in awe of show-fans’ acceptance of bad writing–and it’s amazing to watch it get worse every week. Really, Daenerys takes over a city filled with angry, discontented citizens who’ve already proven to be both violent and organized, and then goes to a stadium filled with hundreds (thousands?) with only a couple of dozen guards? Really??
(We really do need a better ‘rolls eyes’ smiley. The present one looks way too cheerful.)
“Most people” no. Well, except that as in Medieval Europe “most people” believed in G-d and Miracles.
But Stannis has seen and participated in deific magic. Several times.
I think she got distracted, and may eventually get punished for it by her trainer.
Chekhov’s Shank?
I don’t know why he came to the wall from the North side. However, we did see Ser Alliser open the gate for Jon Snow - he didn’t have to and would probably stayed (acting) Lord Commander had he not. To me that’s a huge respect for the chain-of-command. Especially since Ser Alliser thinks Jon Snow is going to get everyone killed.
If that’s true I apologize, that was not my intent. I thought it had been mentioned in an earlier season.
Half those troops are fanatics or to cowed to disagree with the guy who just hanged some of his own troops. The other half are Braavos mercy…I’m sure they’ve seen worse.
Can you cite any accounts of human sacrifice used in Medieval Europe as a means of dealing with starvation and/or cold?
Why would all those soldiers care? What they see is a man burning his daughter alive.
No, but what does that have to do with anything? They did burn heretics and such, however, on faith based reasons.
Cause they are cold, and starving and gonna be dead real soon. And now they have Hope.
What are you even talking about? Who cares what the men think? The discussion you so valiantly white-knighted in to refute was the justification (or lack thereof) for Stannis. Not his men.
See that whole giant post you vomitted out earlier this page in response to a snippet of my post? I was talking about Stannis. Not his men.
Has the name “Azor Ahai” ever been used in the show?
I was expecting Jaquen to slap her when she said “He wasn’t hungry”.
(I still think “Truth or Slap” would be a great spin-off game show.)
I feel like Jacquen knew exactly what happened with Arya. Maybe he even knew Meren would be arriving on the docks at the time on that day and specifically sent Arya on that job to see him.
So what? Stannis clearly believes, and has reason to believe. Some of his followers (as opposed to mercenaries) are presumably true believers as well. The rest of his mercenaries may or may not believe, but they are smart enough to know that they’re desparate and about to starve or freeze to death. Should they be so outraged at a foreign king who they don’t follow killing his disfigured daughter that they speak up and cause a mutiny right in the middle of a massive crisis, rather than just keeping their cool and praying to whatever gods they believed in that this sacrifice works, because if it doesn’t, they’re fucked?
Like I said, one of two things will happen:
(1) The sacrifice will work, and people will start to believe, or at least respect Stannis for having made a terrible choice
(2) The sacrifice won’t work, and they’ll all die
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. What does the word “manipulative” even mean in that context? Isn’t the whole point of any work of art to manipulate emotions? How do you know that this powerfully emotional scene was “manipulative” as opposed to just being powerfully emotional?
(I agree, by the way, that I’d like some more info about why Dany ended up with so few bodyguards in a dangerous situation. Was there some assurance she and her guards received that everyone sitting near them would be searched and checked, and then whoever was supposed to be doing the checking was corrupted, or something?)
You’ve missed the point.
It appears that you believe that the opinion of a leader held by the leader’s troops has no importance. Do you see this as true in general, or only in the world of GoT?
I wonder if Meryn Trant is on to Ayra (the most unsubtle assassin ever). He was definitely checking her out, more than once.
Did he notice he was being followed and stared at with big, googly eyes? Does he remember who Ayra is? Or was he just sexually interested?