My prediction is that Ramsay will flay Dani and create himself a fireproof suit to fight dragons with.
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I think this can be fanwanked by saying the Targaryens are special in that it’s always a Targaryen that is selected to become the mother/father of dragons, and only that Targaryen becomes fireproof. The evidence for that is the ‘special magic’ that allowed Daenerys to become fireproof the moment she touched the dragon eggs. All we have to say is that it’s not a one-time thing, but a characteristic you possess after the dragons, or the God, or magic force or whatever it is chooses you to be the leader. Therefore, Jon Snow could still be part Targaryen, and Viserys could be melted by gold.
Well, WE know that, but imagine if this conversation with Ned Stark had taken place in season 1 when he captured the brother of knight’s watch who violated his oath:
“My Lord, my oath is over because I was already dead!”
“ALREADY DEAD???”
“Well, I got better…”
<whack>
Like I said, Jon’s got some explaining to do if he wants to round up the men of the north and have them follow a bastard who appears to have broken his vow to the Knight’s Watch and is now leading an army of wildlings. Not that it will be impossible, but it will be interesting to see how he manages to convince others to follow him. Perhaps he will have to show his knife wounds, or the Red Priest will put on a show for him, or something. But no one is going to follow him just on his word that he was mostly dead. Which is partly alive.
And also, I don’t think there’s an established precedent that dying and coming back gets you out of your oath. Clearly the oath is intended to mean that you are now a member of the knight’s watch so long as you are around. Otherwise, people could get out of the deal by having their heart stopped and revived. I imagine more than one brother has nearly frozen to death before, had his heart and brain stop working, and the cold allowed him to stay ‘dead’ for some time before being revived. But they don’t get to use the “already been dead” get out of the watch free card.
Well, the GoT Wiki says that House Manderly is now allied with the Boltons. I don’t remember when that happened, but I assumed that it did at some point.
D’oh. I had forgotten about that. But the Riverlands in general are probably not very happy about the Boltons running the north. Perhaps men could be recruited. That’s probably true in bits and pieces all through the north. Flaying people like toys can’t make you a popular ruler.
Also, I wonder how the Freys are going to feel about their alliance with Ramsay if they find out he murdered Roose’s wife and baby in a most horrible way? These are people who held a Red Wedding for Robb Stark just because he didn’t marry one of them. What will they do now?
Finally (and this is a long shot), there is one more potential house out there - Sam is stopping by home to drop off his girlfriend just as all hell is about to break loose in the North. Since Sam has grown a pair or two since he left home, might he have something to say about that? He was the rightful heir to the throne, after all. Now, his home is in the south, but so were the Lannisters and they have armies in the north. Depending on the time frame for when all this goes down, they might have time to head that way. Maybe Sam will recruit them to fight the walkers, and once they get there they’ll discover the war against Bolton and join the fight.
Here’s another possibility - Tommen actually made up Majory"s potential walk off shame to provoke action by his mother and the Tyrells. We saw nothing in any of the scenes involving the high Sparrow or Marjory to indicate that the walk was forthcoming or even that the same type of walk would fit with her “crime”. Someone is probably lying about it, so why not Tommen? We haven’t seen that type of deviousness from him, but he does have motive.
She was already shown to be immune to heat before that. In her very first scene, I think it was.
Her skeevy brother pervs out on her womanly body, then leaves the room and she gets in the bathtub when the water is too hot. This was her getting ready to meet Drogo for the first time.
Who says it’s clear? Pretty much every human society has a story in which someone has gotten tripped up or slithered out of a prophecy, vow, wish, whatever because of a difference between literal and figurative meanings of words. This is a common concept in human lore. And in a world in which a significant number of people believe in our have witnessed supernatural events? It’s not going to be a huge leap for a lot of people.
Really? In a pre-technological society, they’re just going to jump at this?
It’s more likely that if this has actually happened—and I don’t know why you think this would have to have happened oven once, key alone more than once—that folks assumed that the dude had not died in the first place.
A dragon did it. One more Word of God on the Targaryen fire/heat thing, GRRM states that they have a high tolerance for heat, but for immunity to fire you need the dragon…magic…stuff.
Right. She takes the too-hot bath in preparation to meeting Drogo. She doesn’t receive or touch the dragon eggs until the wedding.
As I already pointed out, it’s not correct that House Tully was wiped out. The Blackfish (Brynden Tully, Catelyn’s uncle), a renowned warrior, escaped the Red Wedding, but hasn’t been seen or mentioned since. He’s around somewhere.
According to the Wiki, none of the Tully bannermen have sworn fealty to the Freys. Arya and The Hound got a meal from a Riverlands farmer after Arya tells him they fought for House Tully. He also curses Walder Frey for his treachery. The Riverlands will rally for the House if they have a chance.
That came to mind. Randyll Tarley, Sam’s father, is also a renowned warrior, having been mentioned by Stannis as the only man who ever defeated Robert Baratheon in battle. He declared for Renly, although the Tarleys are from the Reach and thus bannermen of House Tyrell.
Randyll is apparently still alive though, and Sam has pretty much zero respect from him. But who knows, maybe House Tarley will come into play.
Thanks. That explains the hot bath bit, then.
Aside from the murder of Walda Frey by Ramsay, let us recall that Walder Frey’s nickname is the late Walder Frey - during Robert’s Rebellion, Frey waited until the decisive battle was won by the rebels before he arrived conveniently late to join them. This was mentioned in an early season.
I can see Walder attempting the same thing when a coalition against Ramsay Bolton gets going. I really doubt that the Freys will support Ramsay if it comes to a fight. I could even see Walder trying to use Edmure Tully to rally the Tullys to fight Ramsay, while keeping Frey forces safe in the Twins.
GRRM is not only not God here, he basically has nothing to do with the show anymore aside from collecting royalty checks. So really anything he’s said is not at all relevant.
GRRM has written an outline of what happens in the rest of the saga, including its conclusion and, presumably, the fates of all the major characters. The makers of the TV show may deviate from that outline in parts, but in general they are still following GRRM’s story to the conclusion that he has written for them. That was part of the deal from before the TV series was started - they had to know that they could take it to its proper conclusion.
…and here is a cite for what I wrote above.
Right, but he’s not working on the show and if he says “such and such works like this”, that only applies to his novels and isn’t relevant here. Not only because of the “books don’t exist” rule for the thread, but because if you took his word as canon you’d quite simply be wrong.
I’m not saying his word is canon, clearly it isn’t for the TV series. What I’m saying is the idea that he’s making no contribution to the story now is wrong. It’s still his story, in its basic outline, even if some of the details vary.
He’s not though, in the present tense. You’re talking about an outline he made a few years back. Either way, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand which is that he isn’t in any way an authority on how things work in the world of the show. Which is what someone implied by calling something he’s said “Word of God” when it’s not even close to being such.
I thought this hour was dreadfully formulaic.
The ‘rescue mission’, another ‘shocking’ Ramsey murder, the Castle Black gang begins to form for ‘the mission’.
First time I’ve ever felt that with this show.
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That’s clearly not true. They’re still using his work as a basis, and I’m sure he’s still taking their calls if they need to clear up any questions. I never said his word was canon, so stop implying I did, please. My point, for the third and final time, is that the TV series’ makers are not making everything up themselves, they are still following GRRM’s storylines, so saying that “he basically has nothing to do with the show any more” is wrong.
You know, the more I think about it, the less I buy the High Sparrow’s shtick. He’s ostensibly all about humility and deference, yet here he is, passing judgment on others, claiming (if implicitly) to know the will of the Gods, knowing the ‘true faith’ better than its high priests, and so on—that is, in an intrinsically hubristic position. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s more to him than a rich cobbler that had a religious awakening.
That’s pretty consistent with real religious zealots. I don’t think that’s a reason to doubt his sincerity. He’s a charming leader of their Taliban - I’m pretty convinced he’s legit.