The last couple of Ramsey murder scenes have been entirely unnecessary, especially their length and severe of detail. It really is a waste of screen time to constantly retread the Ramsey is cruel meme.
As for wishing for Ramsey’s comeuppance, at this point what I’d like to be shown is that you might be able to kill him, but you can’t teach him a lesson. That he is so sick that you literally can’t make him suffer, no matter what you do to him.
My reasoning for that is to show that the idea if revenge itself is hollow.
Dude what. He’s a producer, consultant and wrote the scripts for episodes in season 1, 2, 3 & 4 as well as being the, y’know, creator of the freakin’ franchise. If you’re not familiar with the trope “Word of God” (enjoy the TVTropes link, bwahaha) it’s defined as the creator personally setting the record straight.
In this case on the Targaryen thing which is directly relevant to TV show, if we can infer that only Dany is part-asbestos as a consequence of ‘dragony magic’ and not all Targaryens it means that the scene where Jon burns his hand is not disproof of one of the most debated things among show fans since season 1.
Martin has said that Targaryens are not immune to heat/fire. The show has not contradicted that statement. Whatever immunity Daenerys has is unique to her or to the circumstances in which she has been exposed.
He said that Daenerys specifically is not immune to fire. That Drogo’s pyre was a one time miracle and that if she was in that situation again she would be in danger. That absolutely has been contradicted.
I haven’t seen any source where he says she would be in danger, but then I could well be wrong. What I know he has said that hasn’t been contradicted on this matter (and yes, the idea of it being a ‘one off’ as previously assumed is obviously not true, which was the first sentence in my first post in the topic, though it’s irrelevant to the point I’m making about its relevance to the show) is that not all Targaryens are fireproof. He doesn’t even close the door on Dany being able to do it again, note he says ‘probably’ not and not ‘definitely’ not. What I’m saying is that we shouldn’t take it as proof that certain other characters could not have Targaryen blood, that’s why it matters to the show and why the scene was such a big deal to people, that it’s a Dany thing not a Targaryen thing.
Perhaps you could helpfully point out the possible spoilers in me saying that GRRM has an end for the saga worked out? I haven’t read the books and I do not know any spoilers, so there is no possible way I could give anything away. The fact that GRRM exists and that he writes the stories is not irrelevant to this thread.
Well that’s exactly my point that we should take it prima facie that Dany can still do it but inferring anything about other characters from the scene is shaky ground.
To be fair I think I’ve taken the thread off into a bit of a pointless cul-de-sac, when I said ‘Word of God’ I meant it in the TVTropes way of ‘creator clarification’, obviously not everyone is familiar with this so my bad. I wasn’t trying to say GRRM’s previous comments were the be-all and end-all when it comes to the show, rather trying to provide a bit of background on the past debate on Targaryen asbestos skin and why people were losing their shit over this scene.
Well, the OP asks that stuff from the previews of upcoming episodes be spoiler-boxed, so it sounds that the intent is that the thread cover only the stuff between the HBO logo appearing on the screen and the closing credits.
I think the divergence is that you take GRRM as the word of god when it comes to the show when I don’t think he is. I think Benioff and Weiss and perhaps Brian Cogman have that mantle here.
But yes, we’re mostly in agreement and this is a digression.
The show has made it clear that Targaryens have the blood of the Dragon in their line. It’s genetic. Not all of them have it but some do and Dany does.
Apart from writing the books, GRRM was and is (despite some peoples’ apparent beliefs) deeply involved in the creation of the TV series. So saying that he has the full story worked out and has supplied it to the makers of the show is entirely relevant to the TV show and, for that matter, not relevant to the books.
ETA: And, to reiterate, what I just said is in no way a spoiler. How could it be? The intent of the “no books” rule is to avoid spoilers - and since I haven’t read the books, and have no knowledge of future events in the story, there is no possible way I could spoil the TV series.
And then, in the climax of the series, Ramsay wins the Iron Throne, marries Cersei, Littlefinger is the Hand of the King, and everyone else we cared about is dead. Fans are shocked and pissed off as GRRM laughs all the way to the bank.
The show has made it clear that:
(a) Dany is fireproof (and was fireproof before the dragon eggs showed up)
(b) Viserys was not fireproof
and
(c) she believes that it is due to her Targaryen heritage, referring to herself as “the blood of the dragon” or words to that effect
Whether that means it’s a recessive gene that one in four Targaryens have, or a chosen-one thing that comes from a mystical connection with dragons, or something else entirely, is unclear
I think Dani’s Burning Down the House II showed a lack of imagination on the writers’ part. Still, I would have forgiven the narrative laziness if her final line had been, “I don’t expect anything from you, except to die and be a very cheap funeral. . .You’re gonna die now.”
