I don’t think the massacre was the feat of just those three guys though. Too many dead, too many arrows… Plus I don’t know how to interpret the look Clegane gave the bald guy. I think they remembered each other from the Hound’s time in Berric’s camp, or possibly Clegane recognized the guy and was concerned that the guy would recognize him.
Of course not. Whoever they were they had other companions elsewhere. (Assuming they were involved in the massacre at all.) Also, none of them appeared to be carrying a bow or arrows. The bowmen who committed the massacre wouldn’t have been them.
You think someone might not recognize the Hound after seeing him even once?:dubious: Per IMDB, none of those guys (actors or character names) has appeared in the show before this season, so they weren’t in Berric’s camp.
Hmm. Must have been your average Clegane “careful who you’re about to fuck with, kid” look then 
Lady Mormont is the kind of leader you want to throw your lot in with in this world. As a child she’s already more competent than most of the other lords fumbling about. Assuming she survives the coming battles, House Mormont will likely have a pretty long run of stability and competent leadership.
I’m surprised that John played the “I was Jeor’s steward” card but didn’t bother to show the sword passed on to him. He still has it, right?
You mean like I said back on page one of this thread?
My assumption was that the Night King was a name from legends that were well known in that society. The same way we all know the names Lucifer or Dracula.
The thing is, Sansa’s still alive. And a lot of the other strong players who looked good at it (Ned, Robb, Stannis, Tywin, etc.) are not. I think she’s done pretty well.
Well, we saw “a” Jacquen drink poison and die right before Arya went blind.
But, then, we also saw Arya peel off a bunch of faces from that Jacquen, including an Arya face, but Arya’s face isn’t on the wall, so that entire world is built on quicksand.
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Does anyone think it’s weird how everyone has started calling the head White Walker, the “Night King”? I heard Benjen mention it but I assumed he learned it from the Three-Eyed Raven. Where did everyone else come up with that name?
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The thing that grates on me is when Walder Frey says something to the effect of “does he remember who got married at the Red Wedding?” No one “in world” has ever called it “The Red Wedding” before, I have only heard fans talking about it that way. Whenever they replay the quote in a preview, it just feels like the fourth wall is being broken.
Within a couple of episodes of the Red Wedding, maybe even in the very next episode, characters were calling it the Red Wedding. I guess you don’t remember it, but I do.
If Walder Frey referred to it as the “Red Wedding,” then someone “in world” has used that name, right?
RE: Sansa
I think she was writing to Littlefinger, asking for the Knights of the Vale to join up and help her take back Winterfell. I started to write, “in exchange, she would agree to marry Littlefinger once Winterfell was returned to the Starks,” but then I thought about it and I’m not sure that does enough for Littlefinger’s station in life.
I was thinking it would give him some legitimacy toward becoming Warden of the North, but Rickon is (at this point) still alive, and presumably the heir to Winterfell. Jon is a bastard, and nobody knows that Bran is still alive. As far as we’ve seen, inheritance is through the male children, yes?
OTOH, it would increase Littlefinger’s station in life. Sansa is just as high-born as her aunt was but less crazy, still (presumably) able to produce an heir for Littlefinger, and much closer to Littlefinger’s true desire of marrying Catelyn than Lysa was.
On the gripping hand, the only two cards Sansa really has to play are that she’s a Stark (which hasn’t gotten her too far to this point) and that she’s young and fertile. I think willingly offering herself in exchange for an army would show that she really has learned to play the game.
I didn’t interpret Clegane’s attitude toward the three riders who showed up at their camp as anything more than a recognition of the type of men they were. I just read it as, “I’ve seen guys like these before, and they are up to no good whatsoever.”
The Cersei/Olenna scene was fantastic! Those two have been sniping at each other for so long, it was fun to see Olenna just open up both barrels, but in such a way that Cersei had no defense. Olenna was 100% correct in her assessment, and I think Cersei finally realizes it. Cersei still thinks she’s clever enough to get out of this, but I think she’s come to recognize that she has to be a little more cunning than she has in the past, and maybe even get some help.
As much as I like Jaime, it was kind of fun watching him get verbally bitch-slapped by the Blackfish. The Lannisters are going to have to learn to adjust to the post-Tywin era they’re living in, and it’s going to be a hard lesson. Gorgeous suit of armor he was wearing, though.
If I may direct your attention to this clip, from episode 3 of season 4 (Breaker of Chains), you will note that at around 3:20 the farmer who is hosting Arya and the Hound says:
“The Red Wedding, they’re calling it”
…that’s not the only time the name has been used in the show, it’s just the first one I could find without going to much trouble. That’s four episodes after the Red Wedding (which was in episode 9 of season 3).
Why is everyone assuming the 3 riders that showed up in Septon Ray’s little hippie commune are from the brotherhood without banners? did they say something and I failed to catch it? looked like run of the mill outlaws to me, fans of the Lord of Light, may be, but that’s not proof of anything.
Which makes sense, but I feel like everyone in Westeros is acting a bit indifferent to the fact that a) Jon Snow just came back from the dead and b) Dracula has been sighted north of the wall with a massive army of zombies.
In the earlier seasons, they sent ravens to every kingdom in Westeros warning about how the Lord Commander was attacked by a wight. Since that time, Castle Black came under siege by a huge army of Wildlings, then relieved by Stanos’s army who was subsequently wiped out at Winterfell after executing Mance Rayder King Beyond the Wall, the Watch participated in a catastrophic battle at Hardhome where they evacuated thousands of Wildlings to south of the Wall, murdered their Lord Commander who subsequently came back to life. Yet no mention of any of these events. Even to scoff at their absurdity.
I get that the rest of Westeros has their own problems, but I would think these events would be of some interest. Particularly since up until now, the Nights Watch has mostly been a dumping ground for criminals, bastards and disgraced lords, manning largely defunct and understaffed outposts along an ancient engineering oddity, “defending the realm” against small bands of disorganized and undisciplined barbarians. Now suddenly there are battles and rumors of massive armies of the dead (and mostly-deads like Jon Snow).
Either the Hound or Lovejoy said “Brotherhood…” and the guy didn’t deny it and implied it was true.
Clegane says to the Septon “They don’t believe in your Seven, they’re from the Brotherhood, they follow the Red God.”
Because they said their catch phrase “the night is dark and full of terrors”. Although they did say it sarcastically. And they were dressed a bit nicer than run of the mill bandits.
People are making the assumption that they are BwoB because the only followers of the LoL we have seen are religious-based groups like the BwoB and Red Priestesses like Millisandre and Millisandre 2.
Who these guys are is still a mystery. While hardly Boy Scouts, the BwoB are largely a populist movement against the feudal system of lords and bannermen. So it would be out of character for BwoB men to just slaughter a bunch of innocent people to steal some food.
OTOH, it’s not clear why they would sarcastically give the LoL greeting or make a pretense of “protecting the people”. I can see if they were trying to cast blame on the Brotherhood, but why bother if you are going to kill everyone anyway?
I get your point, but this isn’t a modern society, it’s kind of a late medieval - pre-renaissance society. Plus it’s a society where dragons are real and magic works, at least on occasion. So perhaps they would not be quite so shocked by supernatural things actually existing as we would.