Game of Thrones 7.02 "Stormborn" 7/23/17

Well Bran is also around (and apparently just hanging out at the Wall for no reason), who would be the Heir to Winterfell otherwise.

I thought Ms. Williams did a great job of showing the transition between dissociated revenge killer and human with a family and a home. She barely showed recognition when Hotpie was talking to her. It made him ask “What happened to you?” And you can see the struggle in her face as Arya wants to tell him but no one just wants to go murder Cersei.

Her face softened and even her posture changed when she found out Jon was at Winterfell. And her “Good-bye” to Hotpie was fond.

Good point. The other thing about that scene is the difference between Arya’s experience and that of Hot Pie. (What a name, by the way.) She’s obviously been through a lot and been traumatized, while his existence has hardly been changed by the events in Westeros. I suspect that for most of the populace, all that happened affected them only slightly. (Unless, like the farmer and his daughter, they were robbed by someone like The Hound.)

She can easily be ‘queen of the ashes’, if she just sets her dragons free to lay waste to the land. That doesn’t mean her unsullied soldiers alone could also easily take the land.

Think about air power in WWII. The allies could have ‘won’ the war against Japan with few allied casualties if we were willing to just bomb them into the stone age. But if you actually have to invade and conquer, the estimates were that it would take 2 million soldiers.

So Daeneris can burn Westeros with dragon fire, or she can take it with conventional forces. Nothing about the ability to do the first says that therefore the second can be done with minimal soldiers.

But otherwise, you’re right. The Dothraki are not farmers. They aren’t looking for land to settle on. They are raiders, who require a constant supply of other people’s stuff to survive. Their entire culture is based on war and raiding.

I suppose there will be some way out of this - for example, the Dothraki could wind up being obliterated in a battle with the walkers near the end of the war so we don’t have the messy problem of what to do with tens of thousands of aggressive barbarians after peace arrives.

They deserved it.

Quite the contrary, it’s made clear that the smallfolk bear the brunt of the war. Their homes are burnt, their crops stolen, burnt or rotten, their women raped,their children brutalized, and their men drafted to die for lords who don’t care about them at all.

Hot Pie is an extremely lucky SOB. He’s got a job he loves, at an establishment that serves soldiers, who happily spend their money there and want to see it remain standing. So far, he’s one of the few happy endings we’ve seen in the show. Let’s hope Dany doesn’t screw it up for him by having Drogon torch the inn for some reason or another.

Agreed. Hopefully it won’t turn out that Hot Pie’s famous cuisine is the only thing keeping morale up for the Lannister soldiers or something.

Weren’t Arya’s parting words to Hot Pie “Try not to die”? I took that as a sure sign he’s probably going to die soon.

She may have well said “I can’t wait to see your tragic and meaningless death.” Probably moments after Gendry shows up.

Or maybe the very last shot of the show will just be Hot Pie at the inn, sort of a “life moves on” scene.

I loved the fact that Arya shares the fact that she’s also been making “one or two” pies lately.

Maybe Hot Pie’s pies also include the odd Lannister soldier who goes missing en route. Arya could give him some pointers as well.

Might make things alot easier with Jonsa

Ramsay wanted to turn Theon into an obedient dog, so castrating him would have been the main point, I guess, with cutting Theon’s dick being only a nice bonus.

That’s Game of thrones. The only people who are going to be saved at the last moment from inescapable doom are Tyrion, Jon and Danaerys. Elleria will die horribly as everybody else (on top of it, it’s not like she’s a likable character, anyway).

For the rest of this season, at least.:wink:

Exactly. Elleria and the Sand Snakes are pretty vile characters, treacherously murdering children and their own kin purely out of revenge. They’re really no better than Cersei.

While Yara is cool, she doesn’t have many real redeeming features either. She allied with Danaerys out of expediency, not because she has any interest in her cause.

My favorite thing about this season is now that the story has grown smaller we are mixing and matching characters in interesting ways. I could have probably watched 60 minutes of Dany’s Small Council just because we had Tyrion, Olenana and Varys all in a room.

I have to admit, and I’m not sure why, but I expected the Red Woman to cause trouble for Jon Snow not support him when she arrived at Dragonstone. I guess her faith in Snow outweighs any anger she has for him exiling her.

It was pointed out to me that the opening credits show the sea up by the wall freezing over so I guess we know how the Ice Zombies get around it.

I don’t really have any affinity for those tier characters, maybe with the exception of Yara. But in the preview for season 7, there is a scene in Kings Landing with the previously unseen dragon pit. But suffice it to say, Dany has to lose and have to retreat, for her to be offered sanctuary in the North in exchange for the dragon stone and her soldiers to bolster the northern armies and remaining dragons to launch air strikes on the undead.

Dorne is gone, with Elleria’s capture, and probable death. All thats left is the Tyrells to besiege KL and not all her bannermen are behind her. Dany is left with the Dothraki and Unsullied, if the Tyrells are knocked out.

Speaking of House Tyrell; who exactly is Lord of Highgarden right now? :dubious: Olenna married into the family, and was only the de facto head of the family because she was so good at manipulating her husband and later her son (whom she completely dominated). Loras & Margaery didn’t have any (surviving) siblings, but do we know if Mace any siblings?

We do not know this from the TV show. The Game of Thrones Wiki points out that one of Olenna’s handmaidens refers to Olenna as “Nana” in an episode in the third season, and is thus apparently her granddaughter. A family as important as the Tyrells probably has some cadet lines, but we have not met any of them.

I was watching some good old fashioned eunuch porn and a Game of Thrones episode broke out. So Grey Worm went pearl diving, sure, whatever. But did Missandei tickle his prostate? That’s true love right there.

At this point I’d accept all the main characters dying horribly. All hail King Hot Pie, long may he bake.

Thinking about this some more, Jon has recently had a sharp, rather pointed lesson in what happens when you don’t spend the effort to keep your inner circle on board with your plans. Not that Sansa would kill him (I wouldn’t put it past Lady Mormont though) but he knows that shit can go south if you don’t make sure the right people are happy with your plans.

Oh come now. That boy has been stuffing acorns in his cheeks all summer. If anyone survives The Winter, it will be him.