Hanging out at Dragonstone. They were basically security in this episode, escorting Jon Snow around.
Spelling things phonetically as best as one can is the bare minimum of care - following people around and constantly offering spelling corrections is several steps beyond that. Not everyone is using a reference guide or is reading the books. If you think it’s helpful to provide correct spellings, then maybe tack on a “Who’s Who” post at the beginning of these threads for each episode and be done with it. (Honestly - that wouldn’t be a bad idea, and would likely garner less abuse than you continually take every single week doing it your way.) Just a thought.
Senorbeef: it’s not just that time is being compressed. but that it is incoherent. Are we supposed to believe that Jon Snow has been waiting in Dragonstone for the weeks/months it would have taken for the other events in the episode to transpire? That Ser Jorah has actually been healing for weeks? His treatment began before the other events - he should already be at Dragonstone if we are to believe the timeline.
There are many examples of this - events that should take weeks or months bookended by events that take place in hours or or days.
They needed Westeros allies so Denaerys could finally leave Essos. I agree their stories were dumped far too quickly.
I think it’s a matter of everyone (HBO, writers, directors, actors, etc) wanting to get the show over with. ‘Oh, we’ve surpassed the source material? Okay, well let’s breeze through the broad strokes spoilers for the next two books (which we apparently don’t need Martells or Tyrells for), and move onto a never-been-done-before “what if the Confederacy won?” hypothetical.’
Not that it isn’t still an excellent show. It’s just that the tone, pace and style has noticeably changed. And we’re still all adjusting.
Given that the series was projected to be 10 episodes, I would have expected the arc to be longer. But cuts had to be made somewhere and this was a good a place as any.
Why wouldn’t it take Jon as much time to get to Dragonstone as it takes the Unsullied to get to Casterly Rock? And holy shit yes Jorah should have been healing for weeks to go from getting his skin peeled off like a potato to mild rash. Things are happening fast, but they are happening fast equally everywhere.
You’re posting on a message board which means you’re already using the internet. The bare minimum of care is looking it up.
That’s not what I have ever done.
I guess Casterly Rock will be taken back soon, but it seems to me that a contributing factor to Robb’s failure was that the loss of Winterfell showed weakness, like if he can’t take care of his own home what can he do? I don’t know if it reflects as poorly on the Lannisters.
He’s a year older, give or take. Robb was conceived before the war started, and Ned came home with baby Jon who was about Robb’s age, but assumed a little younger. Daenerys was born after the war. The Wiki (show specific one) puts Jon born in 281 AL and Dany in 282
My accomplishment this week is learning to spell “Daenerys” without having to look it up!
The show has always had scenes out of order to create a preferred narrative structure. Most of the timing doesn’t matter - does it matter if this particular meeting in KL happened while someone was on the road or when they got there? Not usually - but there are a few instances in which we would have to be seeing the scenes out of order, although I can’t think of them offhand, they occured to me at the time.
I don’t think the sequence of events is any less coherent than it has been in the past. It wouldn’t strike you as particularly weird if Jorah was cured a month before Jon arrived on Dragonstone or the day after. But when you have big sweeping events without some smaller events or travel scenes or whatever to give the buffer of time, it seems jarring.
Oh, and one other thing - did anyone else notice Littlefinger’s quick glance backward during the Winterfell walk-and-talk when the new Winterfell maester mentioned that Maester Luwin kept copies of every message received at Winterfell? My bet is that there’s something in there that will prove to be Littlefinger’s downfall. I can’t think of an out-and-out smoking gun at the moment, but it sure felt like foreshadowing that someone will find something that outs him for the scheming slimeball that he is.
That would be Bran saying something, and Luwin having kept copies of the proof.
No, I’m going to go ahead and stick with my answer being the bare minimum.
I saw it more as Littlefinger rolling his eyes at the fact that the Maester of Winterfell not knowing what the longest winter of record is. It’s like the tour guide at the Empire State Building not knowing how tall it is.
Possible, but I don’t think so. First, because he didn’t react until after the line about Maester Luwin keeping copies of every message (not after the line about not knowing), and second, because it was a pretty quick look backward, not an eye-roll. I think Littlefinger realized in that moment that, somewhere in the depths of Winterfell, there’s a loose end.
Could be - and the Maester could have very well known how long the longest winter was, and was trying to protect Sansa from the bad news of insufficient food storage.
Possibly the smoking gun is a message he sent to Ramsay that makes it clear he knew Sansa was being mistreated but did nothing about it? (Didn’t he claim to be completely unaware of what Ramsay was like?)
Maester Lewin was long dead at that point, anything from after Theon took over Winterfell would be some other Maester.
So last night I dreamed Daenerys sent Grey Worm to my living room to write a new constitution for Westeros.
It sure seems like Cersei’s getting way too overconfident. She’s even letting her guard down with the servants re sleeping with Jaime. Granted at this point it really doesn’t matter who knows. Even Euron doesn’t care (& am I the only one who keeps expected him to suggest he, Cersei, & Jaime all go to bed together). Also that can’t possibly be the first servant to wind up in the loop.
Her wedding night with Khal Drogo is what I thought of when she mentioned being raped. And I’m sure it’s widespread knowledge in Westeros by now that Daenerys has set up camp on Dragonstone. I look forward to seeing Ser Jorah take his place as her Master of War and or heal of her Queensguard.
Arya couldn’t sit though a conversation with Cersei for that long without killing her.
She’s got to change tactics and start using the dragons sometime, preferably sooner rather than later. Going off on her own with them is stupid though. Also she needs to put saddles on them.
Tyrion brought up this point with her re the Iron Islands, and she just hand waived it as Yara asking for her independence (instead of demanding it). Granted she also probably imagined keeping the Iron Islands as a client kingdom.
I get the impression apprentice maesters rotate among the archmaesters as part of a generalist phase of their training and then specialist. One assumes that the medical specialists are the ones most in demand in Westeros. As for Sam, he’s going to end up leaving the Citadel before completing his training. He simply won’t have time to complete it. Also I think his father’s going to be paying a visit to Oldtown soon.
He may think Bran’s dead, but he doesn’t know for sure like he does with the others.
Maybe Arya is the servant before whom Cersei was parading.
And yes I’m certain that the rape Daenerys alluded to was her being given to Drogo. Remember Viserys said he would let every Dothraki and his horse have his way with her to get what he wanted.
What Daenerys is doing isn’t bad writing nor out of character nor outright stupidity. She’s applying her limited experience. The point is that she decided to try something different before it was too late.