I kinda see what you’re saying, but in addition to Ned, he HAS killed Robb, Tywin, and Catelyn (he did kill her. She’s not the same character that she was, and while I find it incredibly annoying when authors magically bring their characters back to life, he did kill her). But I don’t think he’s going to kill Jon, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Danerys… certainly not before, like, the last half of the last book. And really, even money says only one of those five dies, and their death will be a traditional, fantasy, heroic death.
I guess in retrospect, when Martin killed Ned, he was really killing a somewhat minor character (although, to be fair, that’s sort of a tautology – he was a minor character because he was killed). My take, in summary, is that Martin’s a little more willing than most authors to off major players, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to summarily execute Jon, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, and/or Danerys.
And really, what happened to Cat is worse than killing. She has most definitely not been “brought back to life”, she is a barely functioning animated corpse with only revenge as a reason for existing.
Sorry to take so long to get back to you Feyrat, but I’ve on the road the past couple of days. I think you’re wrong for these reasons:
1.) Ned, Robb, and Caitlyn Stark and Tywin Lannister are not the only major characters to have died so far. Renly was not a POV character and didn’t appear in that many scenes, but two of his decisions – not to support Ned and to declare himself king – have been pivotal to the plot. He was clearly a major player in the War of the Five Kings.
Lysa Tully and Joffrey Lannister were both murdered and I fail to see how they cannot be considered major characters.
2.) At the end of AFFC, Brienne, Cersei, Margaery, Loras, and Davos were in pretty hot water. I would say all five are major characters and it’s hard to see how things will resolve without at least one of them biting the bullet.
It’s good to be willing to kill off major characters, but having just finished AFFC it feels like he’s being a little over-zealous. ‘Look at ME! I’‘ll kill ANYONE! Muwahahahahaha!’ The chapter with Brienne at the end of the book was illogical. Could be a mind game or a ‘test’, or it could just be madness. I’m waiting for A Dance With Dragons to come out in paperback before I buy it.
Anyone else worried the show is going to completely get rid of Roose Bolton? They got rid of the second Stark army and without that there isn’t anything for him to do or any reason for him to be introduced. I guess the RW would be just as good with just Freys but the Roose Bolton stuff added a lot to the sense of foreboding surrounding the Stark side of the conflict.
Well, that and a good chunk of what happens in the North after the Red Wedding is all very Bolton-centric.
I’m trying to remember…I was reminded by someone above. What’s the deal with “Loras was in hot water”. He was allegedly seriously wounded. But weren’t all of those bits basically based on Cersei’s POV? And isn’t she an idiot that the Tyrells would happily lie to, to keep her from continually sending assassins after him?
The report of Ser Loras’s injuries in A Feast for Crows was delivered by Aurane Waters, who I believe is Cersei’s man and apparently witnessed the event firsthand. He was the naval admiral or something. The story Cersei then relays to Margaery is pretty thorough, although we don’t know its accuracy.
This was initially meant to be the thread for people watching the TV series who had read the books published to date. There was a thread for ADWD but it fell off the front page; therefore, those who’ve read the book can’t find it.
So I’ll stay away until I’ve read the giant tome sitting sullenly on the shelf. I really ought to start it, but it’s high summer in Houston that clump of dead trees seems as appetizing as a Thanksgiving Dinner with all the trimmings.
First, I’m not quite done with ADWD, so I’m not discussing it here and have not ventured into that thread.
Second, maybe I wasn’t clear, but the guy who told Cersei about Loras’s injuries was her own good buddy (I think). And he supposedly witnessed the whole thing. So I’m not sure we can conclude that the Tyrells are lying about Loras. Again, that’s from AFFC.
The thread title is perfectly clear, this is not the thread you want to be in if you don’t want to be spoiled. I honestly am shocked it took this long to bring the spoiler complaints to the thread specifically opened so we didn’t have to deal with them.
She has a point. When this thread was opened, the only books published so far had been out at least five years. DwD is NEW…less than a month on the shelves. I’m more than willing to make allowances for that.