Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS)

Could you be more specific?

Confirmed by his editor just now as well.
http://suvudu.com/2011/04/yes-it-is-done-really.html

Didn’t Stannis fetch Edric so that Melisandre could use his blood to make Stannis’s wildest dreams come true?

Woohoo! So I guess that publish date is for real then!

Yes, she needs royal blood. So far, there are enough people against her to spirit them (Edric, Mace’s child, Aemon) safely away. I suspect she’ll start casting her beady little eye on Jon next. (That subject should be covered in the next book, actually.)

OK! I rarely buy new hardbacks, but I just ordered this year’s birthday present to myself. Currently 18.81 at Amazon.

Yes, she needs blood, but no, that’s not why Stannis wanted him. That may be why she pushed him that way, but that wasn’t Stannis’ plan, at least at first.

Don’t know if Jon’s blood would count. He refused becoming King of the North, at best he’s brother to a king. Though if she knew about Robb naming him heir, that might be close enough . . .

Here’s another ‘general question’ Does anyone think that Mellisandre had anything to do with Joffery, Robb, and Balon Greyjoy’s deaths? I’d thought it pretty clear she was scamming, that she’d just foreseen them. Claiming responsibility as evidence for her powers.

Much as she’s trying to seduce Jon by repeating his exs catch phrase.


Now, she clearly want to use Jon for something, if only to drain his living ‘life fire’ Most of the guys on the wall have to take care of thier own life-fires . . .

If Jon’s actually a Targaryen, he’s GOT royal blood already.

The hairy one. Dammit! Still not specific enough…

That’s just opportunitism. She’s responsible for Renly, and for the castellan of Storm’s End (whose name escapes me).

I donb’t think she’s stupid either…and definitely not cruel. But I really wanted to reach into the pages and bitch-slap her during the scenes after her forced marriage to Tyrion…Tyrion’s actions before and after the marriage certainly indicated that he was on her side, it was obvious that neither of them wanted to be in the marriage and the marriage itself ( aside from the political reasons )was basically a way for Cersei and Joffrey to torment them both.

Yet she refused to let down her courtly armour for a minute and refused to have any sort of honest conversation with Tyrion…every attempt he made was met with a “whatever you say, my lord” response and if she had dropped that facade he could’ve been a valuable ally and a great help to her…it frustrated the hell out of me.

I see what you’re saying, but you rally can’t blame Sansa for not opening up to another Lannister. Look what it got her when she was open and honest with Cersei. She coulnd’t know if Tyrion truly is an OK guy, so why take the risk? Especially when she thought she had Dontos on her side ready to whisk her away.

All that said, Sansa is quite naive. Especially in the first book. She’s getting better, but I think she might be a little too trusting of Littlefinger. He never has anyone’s interest in mind but his own.

Yeah, we as the readers know that Tyrion is a good guy, but Sansa thought Cersei was on her side once before. I don’t blame her for not wanting to trust Tyrion completely.

So Telivision Without Pity has a thread for people that never read the books. By the second page they already have R+L=J figured out. Damn.

Color me skeptical. That board has more than a few posters who take inordinate pride in saying “I called it!”. They might not have read the books, but they probably read the Spoiler thread. :slight_smile:

Yes, I thought that as well.

The “you have my blood” and not “you are my son” line along with his general secrecy about it are enough to speculate, probably. I don’t think I thought about it at all until we figure out that Robert’s version of the story is bullshit.

Ok, the next page has “Lyana actually didn’t like Robert, she willingly went with Rhaegar and died in childbirth.”

Yeah, I think they’re full of shit now.

I predict that Sansa will emerge in the next couple of books as a cunning plotter perhaps even managing to outfit Littlefinger. Basically Sansa, Arya and Bran will each emerge as formidable characters using their different strengths: Sansa with her beauty and manners will excel at court intrigue, Arya will become a skillful assassin, and Bran will become some kind of powerful mystic. The interesting question is whether they will all be on the same side. What role will Zombie Cat play? And I suppose Rickon will emerge as a more active character as well.

I remember reading somewhere that the fact that Sansa lost her wolf early on will be significant - Martin has dropped hints that the fate of the children are tied to their wolves, and because Lady is dead Sansa can no longer be part of the “pack.” I dunno what that means for her future. I just hope she kills Littlefinger someday. :stuck_out_tongue:

I read a sample chapter from DWD that had this about the wolves, in one of Jon’s chapters:

The white wolf padded along the man trail beneath the icy cliff. The taste of blood and bone and sinew was on his tongue, and his ears rang to the song of the hundred cousins, but he had lost his other brother, grey-furred and smelling of the sun. Once they had been six, five whimpering blindly in the snow beside their dead mother, and him alone, the pale one, crawling off into the trees on shaky legs as his litter mates sucked cool milk from hard dead nipples. Now only four remained of the six born that day, and one of those was lost and gone.

Speculation about passage:

Robb’s wolf and Sansa’s wolf are dead, so neither of them are part of the pack now. Who is the lost and gone one? I suppose the obvious answer is Nymeria/Arya, Could it be Rickon/Shaggywolf? Shaggywolf has basically acted nutso from the beginning and has not really demonstrated any pack-like tendencies.