I’m really hoping that for this thread the topic ban is not being enforced.
IMHO it would be totally unfair to enforce it in this thread.
It’d make sense to me to relax the topic ban in this thread–but to strictly enforce the more general rule against misgendering folks, and ban her if she persists in this behavior.
I agree with you that women insisting on spaces separate from men is not hate speech. I don’t think the board considers it hate speech, though.
It’s a bad example because you got hit with a topic ban on an adjacent topic before the board formulated its recent rules around discussing trans issues because of behavior specific to you.
I listed half a dozen women’s issues that are not adjacent to trans rights.
If you really really need to talk about women’s-only spaces, i suggest you restrict yourself to talking about restricting the access of cis men, and being consistent in referring to them as such, not using potentially confusing language like “MEN”, which might lead posters to think you might be including trans women in your comments. That would be a way you could discuss the issue without violating your topic ban.
I will not be enforcing the topic ban in this thread (and only in this thread).
Threads like this don’t exist on this board anymore, so no. They used to exist when there were more female posters and there was less polarization around gender.
It was not uncommon for us to talk about rape and how society conditions women to see rape prevention as their problem to solve. Victim blaming and the whole nine. We used to talk about the importance of respecting women’s boundaries and not putting the onus on her to defend those boundaries.
It was not uncommon for us to talk about misogyny and it’s influence in the media. We used to talk about sexual objectification and how this warps how girls see themselves and how boys treat the opposite sex. We used to talk about how sex stereotypes are harmful in many ways, and how many of us had to overcome thinking ourselves in terms of those stereotypes.
We used to talk about incels and the horrible things they believe about women, and the danger they pose to society because of their growing online presence. There had been a time when people were actually talking about this as if it was as important social problem—one with serious implications to men’s well-being as well as women’s. But I see much less attention given to this topic now even though incel-like misogyny has become normalized in places like Reddit and elsewhere.
AFAICT we still talk about all those things.
When there were more females on the board I don’t recall much support from them for your point of view concerning transwomen’s rights, but I could be wrong. Got any links?
We can talk about any/all of those subjects any time you start a thread about them, y’know.
In fact, we just had a long thread about incels.
I’m not a mod, but I don’t see how any of those topics would be off limits, even for someone with topic ban about transgender people.
ETA: @YWTF, if you’re worried that bringing up a specific topic would be problematic for you as a poster, just send a PM to the mods. They are very helpful and responsive, and would definitely give you guidance. I’ve done that for controversial topics, and I don’t even have a topic ban.
You know how to start a thread.
In the last two years, I have never seen a woman get away with saying she wants spaces free from men without being accused of transphobia. No where online have I seen that happen. If you’ve seen this happening, I would be amazed.
I don’t understand your question.
That’s solely because your definition of men is harmful, hateful, and inaccurate.
Let’s try it right here. I think it’s entirely reasonable, and not at all transphobic, for women to want some spaces to be free of men. I think most (and probably all) posters agree with me. I invite others to chime in on whether they find this objectionable in any way.
If you want to see topics discussed here, start threads about them. You say that we don’t talk about them, but “you” are part of “we”. Threads do not start themselves.
If the woman is misgendering transwomen as “MEN”, then accusations of transphobia might come up, yes. Have you got any examples not involving deliberate misgendering where women were accused of being transphobic?
Since I was the one who raised this question - although I think it should be permissible for a bannee to talk about a ban in the narrow sense of discussing whether the moderation action was appropriate, I hope that this will not be interpreted as opening up the underlying issue for debate here. In particular, it should not be a free pass for @YWTF to misgender trans women. If she wants to discuss the ban, it should be conditional upon doing so in terms that respect human dignity - adhering to the board’s understanding of what that means, not hers.
So here’s a challenge for you.
See @GreysonCarlisle’s last post to me? His teeth-baring aggressiveness at my use of “men” is a symptom of the problem I’m talking about it. Do you not see how insane it is that I’m having to repeatedly defend myself from people parsing all kinds of ideological meanings from words as basic as MAN? It’s exhausting.
I’m actually having to defend why I believe a group called men exists now. What person in their right mind would want to post to a community where this happens?
I think you want to convince me there isn’t a problem with this board, but you will never be able to pull off that feat if the antagonism popping up in this very thread doesn’t seem to even merit a eye flutter from you.
It’s not a problem. It’s the right thing to do.
Then maybe stop using man and especially MAN to refer to transwomen. It is harmful. It is hateful. It is inaccurate.