do you really believe that none of the admins were available for that length of time at all? I find it difficult.
what ‘damage’ would have been prevented? Never claimed that there was damage. Just that a temporary suspension while ‘we look into shit’ is pretty routine, and no damage is done while some one is prevented (temporarily) from posting, while they ‘look into shit’, whereas the rest of us can have some sense that folks won’t be able to just jerk us around while ‘they look into shit, which may take some time’.
Yeah, I don’t think the timing issue was an emergency. We knew (or suspected) that the liar was going to be banned.
An interesting side note to discuss, tho: Apparantly it was an “anonymous” source that broke this story. Is the Dope so hopelessly fearful about remaining PC and appearing compassionate and enlightened that no one other than a sock being fed info was able to see thru the 4 yr lie?
I’ll admit, I rarely interacted with K6 but I did read some of the latest threads out of shear curiosity. But, I never put the things together that this anon person(s) did. Maybe i just didn’t pay enough attention, having mostly burned out on certain forums. But, someone put the past and the present together and did us all a favor. Here’s crushing at you, kid.
tom - I generally considered you as some one w/reason and temperance.
my post about ‘my staff could contact me in an emergency’ christ. let me spell it out. When I was on call at a residential center, I told folks “dead, dying, jailed or should be” were emergencies. Today, I said “call if you need” I used the term ‘emergency" to denote the occurance where some one might send an email flagging "hey, this is important’ in the message line. You (and others) have taken the phrase “emergency” to be the most significant point I was making. Sorry if I led you to that impression, but the important part was “if they need”
Yes, I find it difficult to believe that not a single admin was on line during thes (more than 8) hours involved.
Suspended wasn’t (as I’ve noted more than once) the issue. Suspended while we look into shit was.
Really.
I’m not one of the traditional carpers here. instead of rallying the wagons around and defending what seems to be a lapse, why not amongst yourselves ask “why would a years long supportive poster, with thousands of posts, damn near all supportive of staff, be [b ]publically** posting “hey 'yall fucked up”???”
If I were you, I would be more disappointed that the poster who put this all together wasn’t honest enough to post it under his/her name but instead used a “sock puppet” to do it. I don’t understand why you find this so admirable.
Wring, I step up to the plate with some trepidation, as this kind of provision of unsolicited feedback can be annoying as hell. But I really suggest you log off the Dope for a while. You’ve made your point. You made it well. Your central point is that Kaitlyn should have been suspended (temporarily, if necessary) while the allegations were looked into. That’s a reasonable point of view. But it seems that this is not the procedure that is followed here. And anyway procedure is perhaps not the right word, for, as Dex especially likes to point out, they don’t lay down rules as such to cover every eventuality, preferring to use common sense.
I, as indeed everyone else reading this, I would guess, completely understands your point. We even understand that you use the word emergency hyperbolically. Take a break.
I’m not even going to start comparing times etc. but I will tell you this. Several hours elapsed between the time I first learned of these accusations and the time I banned Kaitlyn because there was no urgency. Even if we had decided to temporarily suspend posting privileges instead of banning Kaitlin I still would have had my dinner first because there was no urgency. I was online during this magical 8 hour period but I didn’t do anything during that time because there was no urgency.
I don’t know you from Adam, but my reaction to this is that you must be having a shitty day or something. Cause it doesn’t seem like something to get all that worked up about.
And I can certainly understand having a crap day and getting pissed off about something pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
With all the crap that’s gone down around here recently, you’re going to pile on the Mods and Admins for THIS??? I have strenuously (albeit silently) disagreed with some things that have transpired of late, but this is just ridiculous.
**Can of Pineapples ** was such an obvious piece of footwear that I, who am not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, spotted him (or her) myself pretty much immediately. The **Kaitlyn/Number Six ** situation was a LOT more complicated and the delay in banning him/her (Hell, at this point, I’d be willing to switch over to “it” as a pronoun, and that is NOT a swipe at transgendered people) caused no harm whatsoever and was explained quite reasonably by samclem. What is the problem here?
To all current Mods and Admins who haven’t decided to take up fishing or something instead of putting up with any more of this, my thanks for your efforts.
Yeah, he usually is. Might want to think about that.
I’m sorry, but this doesn’t make a lick of sense.
A good point, but you’ve missed an even more important question: Who gives a fuck? Why does it matter that K6 be suspended in less than eight hours? You keep saying that “they dropped the ball.” How? What bad thing has happened because they did not suspend her in a more timely manner?
What?
What?
Maybe you should be asking yourself, “Why am I the only person who cares?” Jesus, wring, it’s not just that no one agrees with you, no one even knows what the fuck you’re talking about! Go get some sleep, or something. You’re flipping out over nothing.
I’m not seeing a mod/admin pile on here. What I am seeing is wring going nutters about something and a bunch of people (including me, right now) saying, “WTF?” to her. So yeah, what the fuck, wring?
*Not actual quote. Void where prohibited by law. Small print here. Blahblahblah.
Well, first, I’m trying to figure out from the “long supportive poster, with thousands of posts, damn near all supportive of staff” just what was fucked up. What is the haste?
As it happens, I discovered the whole discussion about 15 minutes prior to my first post, here. In reading the e-mails passed around the staff, I see that our first notification was no where near 8 hours prior to the banning. I am not on the notification list for the Pit, so I cannot say when the first “report” was submitted, or even if the thread was ever reported. Your eight hours starts ticking when you perceive that sufficient “evidence” had been posted to recognize a problem. Is that when the staff actually saw any of that “evidence”? I have no idea.
And leaving aside the issue of emergency, what is the haste? This is not so much an issue of “circling the wagons” as trying to figure out the “failure” of which the staff has been accused.
Because at least it got posted. If no one here noticed or, worse yet, didn’t have the balls to do it, then I give credit to whoever did.
Not a perfect solution sure, and what with the history between here and some other places maybe it seems to odd to say. But, it did get said. Someone was playing us Dopers in a big way and they got busted. Hooray to whoever our Deep Throat was.
I would also wager that whoever it was that did the deed was fearful of getting a reverse pile on, something we’ve seen over and over in the past. Especially with the sensative subject matter involved.
Anyways, what’s done is done. I’m not condoning snark. Just pointing out something I found to be very interesting in this drama.
Yeah, **Kaitlyn **played us but you’re being played by **Pineapples **if you believe this was done out of any concern for the board or fear of a reverse pile-on. It was done to troll in general and “expose the tranny” and laugh at “the PC crowd” here in particular.
Go check out the trainwreckspot community on livejournal for a fuller story.
Someone here did notice it obviously since it got posted. And the person who did post it didn’t have the balls to do it under his / her own name. I still don’t understand why you’re so impressed by that.
I’m always in admiration of those posters who can read the mind of another poster. If your hero was in such fear of a reverse pile-on, then s/he could e-mail a moderator with his or her concerns about Kaitlyn.
With respect Mr. Winkelfried, we’re not of like minds, and the relative anonymity of using a sock puppet identity isn’t the problem.
Dishonesty was the problem here.
Anonymously posting to legitimate information to point out discrepancies in a poster’s history – perhaps especially, a likeable poster – in no way invalidates the data or the concerns it arouses.
Anonymously reporting a problem has a grand tradition: corporate whistleblowing, investigative journalism, reporting suspected child abuse, tipping off police.
You got tipped.
Go sock puppet.
NOTE: I liked Number Six. I liked Kaitlyn. I never thought I’d be so cool chatting with someone who’s a postop transsexual – eased my feelings that maybe I wasn’t as close-minded as I was worried I might be. Now I find Kaitlyn’s story isn’t true, was never true. Yeah, I’m disappointed. I feel like I was lied to so unnecessarily.
I never said that the discrepancies raised by the sock puppet were invalid. I said that posting under a sock puppet name is not the way to do it.
Your anonymous reporting examples are bad analogies. The poster would have no reason to fear reprisals from Kaitlyn for posting this at the SDMB, would they? If they did they could send an e-mail to a moderator and remain anonymous on the board that way. There is no need to do it under a sock puppet name.
Arnold Winkelried. If you’d been repeatedly lied to by someone whom you considered an online friend, a fraternal colleague and similar hobbyist, someone you’d been emotionally invested in because you did not realize their little stories of identity crises were pathological delusions, there’s a BIG part of me that understands exactly why you might choose to publicly expose the lies, the deceit and the discrepencies in the exact same way you were fed them.
It could have been done more anonymously, true. There may not be reprisals but someone around here is always willing to lead a backlash and nurse a grudge for Pittings. There’s no reason to risk your actual UserName if that’s your fear. There are no SDMB rules that I’m aware stating it can’t be done this way. As always, YMMV.
I don’t think it was done out of concern for us. But the end result is still good for us.
And, after seeing the username COP involved in this thread, trainwreck was where i looked. I’ve seen it before. Granted, I haven’t read every single thing there (I hate the thread style!), but I didn’t see an “expose the tranny” bias in it. If anything, they were taking shots at Paulberserker. Of course, I’m just talking about that thread. From memories of the other places I’ve seen, you might be exactly right.
So, maybe we fell victim to two different types of trolls. Pity.
And to Arnold: Where did I say i read someone else’s mind? My exact words were as you quoted “I would also wager that.” Based on our past dealings, you should know how i feel about trolls. To me the bigger troll here was Kailyn, not the sock or the anonymous feed. Is that easier to understand?
As for the other point, sure, maybe they did take a coward’s way out. Whoever supplied the info to the sock should’ve provided it to the Admins instead. (Or maybe the sock and the provider are the same?) Given some of the recent overblown events concerning Administration here, tho, I can understand why they may have decided not to.
Anyways, I don’t want to start a board war or open a dialogue with other trolls or socks. I was merely pointing out something I found interesting. Maybe my word choice was poor. My apologies.
Someone here did notice it obviously since it got posted. And the person who did post it didn’t have the balls to do it under his / her own name. I still don’t understand why you’re so impressed by that.