Girls and their toys - a porn question

Factual Questions
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Mods, if this should be in Cafe Society, please move it :slight_smile: But it seems like a question witha factual answer out there somewhere, so …

Having seen a quite a lot of pornographic photos of naked girls using dildoes and vibrators on themselves and on each other, one question has been bugging me:

Why don’t they ever fully insert the thing?

I can look at a series of 100+ photos of the same girl(s) in the same scene, and 99% or the time the dildo never seems to be inserted more than an inch or so. What is the point of displaying a 10" dildo (or better yet, a 16" double-ended job) for the camera and then “wasting” 90% of it’s length? Hey ladies, you know, there’s a reason they make those toys with ridges and bumps covering the full length of the shaft!

Okay, I understand that the toy usually has the vibrating mechanism in the tip. But I’m afraid the vibrating effects just don’t translate in still photography. If the vibrations are the primary factor, wouldn’t it be more productive for the model to press it against her clitoris instead of inserting it into herself? In that case, a non-phallic-shaped vibrator would serve just as well.

Clearly, a penis-shaped dildo is used so that I, the viewer, can imagine my penis in place of the dildo. But if it was really my penis I, like most men, would be trying to penetrate as deeply as possible. So why not enhance this fantasy by fully inserting the dildo? I can certainly understand a first-time model being a bit shy about going deep in front of the camera. But not a model I’ve seen in dozens upon dozens of photo sets.

Is this simply a custom that has developed over time? Do the pornmongers worry that, if they depict full penetration with a dildo, their male viewers will feel threatened and replaceable? Does less-than-full penetration allow the models to preserve some delusion of chastity?

Help me out here.

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Most real women don’t masturbate wearing a garter belt and high-heels either … .

The images in most porn are constructed purely to appeal to standard male fantasies, not to accurately depict what real women do when they’re alone.

They show the dildo for the same reason they show the money shot: it makes explicit and visual what, in a normal sexual situation, would be implicit and invisible.

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The ones I look at usually don’t, either :wink:

So when alone, women would put it all the way in? See, I think that’s great, and hot, and I don’t see how the “almost” photos are supposed to be hot. Back in the pre-Internet days when I looked at men’s magazines, I never liked the girl-on-girl pictorials that showed a tongue hovering half an inch from a clitoris. “Oh look, she’s gonna lick it … any second now …” Or the pictures of the woman faking an orgasm when the guy’s dick is poised two inches away from her pussy. “Why is she coming? He hasn’t even put it in yet! I guess she’s just really aroused by the thought of what’s going to happen, any second now …”

Basically, I don’t understand how “almost” is supposed to be gratifying. It’s like fake S&M porn that uses models who aren’t really into S&M. “Is that ‘dominatrix’ ever gonna actually use that whip she’s holding, or is it just a fashion accessory that happens to match her vinyl bustier?”

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Based on my somewhat limited sample size … for most women penetration isn’t the primary way they get off during masturbation. So most women probably wouldn’t put it in at all.

Porn is very Darwinian. Images that appeal to the “average guy” are selected for mercilessly and drive all other images to the margins. Most guys seem to prefer exaggerated fantasy images of female sex to what real women actually do.

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Misread as: Girls and their toes - a porn question
Had me goin’ there for a second… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Strike through “porn” and make it “visual entertainment in general”.

Why do people on TV and even the stage wear layers of caked-on makeup? Things have to be exagerrated in order to make the point.

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“Why don’t they fully insert the dildo?”

IMO, there’s a psychological effect (on the male viewers) in play. If the dildo is fully inserted, you can’t see how big and long it is, and what an (apparently) huge sexual appetite the woman has. To check this theory, do the women generally go for full insertion in videos? The still photo sets are typically heavily posed, the video sets, less so.

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Hey, I think Rhubarb understands what I’m asking :slight_smile: You make a good point. The thing is, after about the forty-second photo in which the dildo is visible, I’ve gotten a pretty good idea of how big it is! Stuff it in there already! Otherwise the model just starts to look like she’s messing with me.

Is she … just … messing with me?

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Yes. Yes, she is.

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Another theory to add to Rhubarb’s: If the girl is appearing in still shots only and not on film, it could be that she actually isn’t comfortable inserting the dildo all that far, either for physical size restrictions or because of some bizzar moralistic line she’s drawn in her head. Clearly, this is a thin theory, but it ties in to my pet peeve against guys thinking all women want stupidly large dicks.

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I see your point, it is certainly valid, and the porn industry seems to be doing allright as far as income is concerned. However, I’d argue that porn isn’t marketed towrd “the average guy” in it’s most literal sense. It’s marketed toward the “average porn buyer” or maybe the “guy who buys tons of porn”.

Porn shops are filled to the brim with fetishistic items [sub](or so I’ve heard)[/sub], these are things that often have to be purchased rather than experienced with a real partner, because a lot of people aren’t into interracial gay donkey felching. Some people don’t like anal sex. Trying to rent a porno without that in it is almost impossible.

“The average guy” has missionary sex with his girlfriend, ejaculates inside, and goes to sleep. I’m not going to pretend that I know what the average gay man does, so I won’t. Missionary sex in porn is brief if it’s even included.

Internal ejaculation is quite rare in porn since you can’t see it, hence the “money shot”. Internal ejaculation in porn lingo is a “creampie”, gross, I know. Pick any freaky fetish you can think of, and I can almost guarantee that there are more porn items related to that, than “creampies”.

I’ve yet to see a pon movie where the guy goes to sleep right after, but that’s understandable. :wink:

Porn is often an escape from reality, a one night stand with the dirty girl from the bar. Most guys will never see two girls do to each other, what they do in most pornos.

Everything in porn is exagerrated, yet the formulas are all simple. Sometimes I think that the creepy bondage guys with dungeons are all Fortune 500 execs. They certainly buy enough product to make every adult shop carry a ton of that stuff.

Oh, as to the OP,

She/he nailed it, no pun intended.

Porn directors don’t give people credit for remembering how large something was, once it’s inserted. Hence my new invention: X-ray porn. It’s regular porn, but with medical-grade X-ray insets at the points of insertion. You still get to see boobies and asses and such, but you also get to see “the rest of the story” as Paul Harvey would say*. Maybe I should call it cervical porn.

*[sub]I’m going to hell for mentioning his name and porn in the same sentence aren’t I? Well, the Simpsons did do it first.[/sub]

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But sometimes, these are little tiny vibrators, maybe five inches long and an inch in diameter. They still don’t put 'em in.

Nah, usually he just leaves immediately after, like most guys wish they could after a one-night-stand :smiley:

heh I went home one night, many years ago, with a woman I met in a bar. She wasn’t exactly what you would call “hot”, but I hadn’t had any in a while and she seemed extremely interested in getting me back to her place, so I said “Why not?”

I was a little puzzled about why she was so insistent that I leave my car at the bar and ride with her back to her place. So I insisted on driving my own car, and she capitulated.

I’m glad I made that decision. I’ll simply say I ended up leaving before the game started, and was really glad I’d brought my car, and leave it at that :wink:

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i believe it hurts some of them to go all the way.

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In “real life” is there any need for a woman to insert one all the way? Wouldn’t a vibrator offer all the stimulation a woman needs right on her clitoris with no need for any feeling of penetration? I’ve seen one on TV that did just that, tiny thing it was too.

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Like most men (I said “most”, not “all”), most women just want to get off and get on with life. From the anecdotal evidence that I’ve gathered, clitoral stimulation is the fastest way to do this. Hence the vibrating portion (in the tip of most vibrators) is what is applied to the clitoris.

However I’ve heard that a deep plunge is also nice, hence the length. This way serves a larger audience, the pure clitoral women as well as the women that like the feeling of the full shaft.

Also note that some of the best selling toys of recent are the bunny type toys that have a penis like shaft for vaginal stimulation as well as a “bunny” looking thing attached near the base that excites the clitoris as well.

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I wasn’t going to answer this, but this kind of…well, certainly not irk, but sort of bothered me. “Need”? Need, in masturbation? Well, the only thing you need is what gets you off…but you don’t always need to rushing to the goalposts, there’s plenty of fun to be had along the way!

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GUYS!

woman steps into the thread

For the vast majority of women, penetration ain’t all that. I can’t answer the bits about why directors film it like that, or why men in general seem to like it, but I’ll answer the “if she was alone, would she ram it all the way in” bit.

No, most times, she won’t insert it all the way.

There are two main types of girly toys - insertion and the vastly more popular clitoral stimulation. Insertion toys are what you let him play with on you, and clitoral are what 97% of women use when alone. When we do insert, it’s only those couple of inches. Why? To hit the g-spot, just two inches or so into the vagina. Any further up is pointless and actually irritating.

That’s not to say we don’t like sex with y’all “inserted” fully. We do. But that’s because your weight, movement and body heat ALSO hit the labia, the clitoris and the mons pubis - all of which feel good. The hot-dog shaped dildoes don’t hit any of that, because they’re not attached to a pelvis. It’s about as sexy as putting in a tampon.

The tissues that become the vagina in females become the scrotum in males. Does someone touching or stroking your scrotum feel good? Yes, of course. Will that alone get you off? Probably not. The part of you that formed the head of the penis formed the clitoris in us - that’s the part with the most nerve endings. The bits that formed the shaft of the penis in you formed the upper part of the labia majora (big lips) and descends internally to form the g-spot just a couple of inches into the vagina. This feels good, but not as intense as the clitoris, just like your shaft feels good to be stroked, but not as intense as the head. Of course, one should vary the sensations and move around - it’d be annoying to have the head of the penis stroked for 20 minutes and the shaft never touched, and it’s just as annoying for a guy to focus on the clitoris to the exclusion of everything else. But if you learn your biology, you do actually have a road map to the female body on your own body. Clitoris = head, lips+g-spot = shaft, vagina = scrotum.

So yeah, while it feels good when you insert, it’s not so great for most women when a stand-alone piece of plastic inserts past the g=spot.

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Perhaps the insertion puts it into a different legal category. There are whole classes of magazines where girls might get ever so near, but never actually put a penis in their mouth. They just seem to breathe very heavily near it, or pose as if they are just about to.

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I seem to recall (Canadian sexpert) Sue Johanson saying that the sensitive nerve endings only extend about 3 inches into the vagina.

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Aww comon…you can leave is hanging like that! Tease!