Were the men who started GGW the product of, or reaction to feminism?
No.
They were men out to make a buck off other men, by filming women flashing their tits.
Feminism only works if you stop MEN from treating women as objects too.
Fat chance of that happening, when women have, for thousands of years, marketed themselves as objects, and continue to.
Men just want sex. As long as women demand monetary returns for sex – as opposed to human compassion – they will receive richly-deserved treatment as commodity products, rather than as human beings.
Unsubstantiated Argumentum ad Hominem is a piss-poor way to respond, and reflects badly on yourself, not on me.
I’m old enough to remember the feminism of the '70s, and I’ve read some of the literature from the women’s movement. I remember their struggle against the patriarchy, against the erroneous assumptions throughout our culture about what women were capable of doing - the “first woman fill-in-blank” was big news each time it happened. I remember girls not having sports teams, bosses who leered and fondled (okay, I wasn’t working myself back then, but that harrassment was frequently part of the status quo), rape trials that were usually a character assassination of the victim. And I always assumed, growing up, that all women wanted to be freed from being categorized sexually, that they would never want to be seen as tits and ass.
And it so has not happened that way. Women - girls - voluntarily present themselves as tits and ass all the time.
Yet as an adult, I’ve also begun to recognize the enormous power of women’s beauty. Drawing nude women and nude men is not an equal experience. There is something uniquely compelling about females.
So I don’t know.
But it’s a shame someone else is getting rich off their tits, you’d think those girls would be entitled to a fair share of the proceeds.
You’re right, I mean may.
I don’t think it will haunt all of them. Or even most of them. Hopefully, it won’t hurt any of them.
Has the feminist movement failed?
No, I think this proves that it is working quite well. They get a place to party and free alcohol and AFAIK no responsibility to bare it all and they still complain.
In various message boards I have encountered TONS of guys who identify the women in their porn collections as “skanks” and “hos” etc. But make no mistake, they’re all over the porn. I think when you describe the women whose images you find attractive as “skanks” and “hos” it says a LOT about what sort of person you are. And none of it good.
You don’t see anything wrong with GGW? The videos are propogating the stereotype that women are objects to be posessed. Furthermore they are telling young women that it is normal to get drunk and “go wild” at spring break or even at a normal frat party. The more this opinion is pushed the more a woman will question her own morals and “accept” that she either has to drop her top or not ever find happiness. I’m not saying that EVERY girl thinks this way, but some girls who wouldn’t act the way they do on GGW might be more willing to act that way BECAUSE of it. Because the opinion gets more and more accepted. And I do not appreciate it because I do not like women that act that way. I like women who respect themselves. I don’t like women who objectify THEMSELVES. What’s worse than a guy who objectifies a woman? A woman who does it to herself. And worse than that, a woman who objectifies other women. Which is exactly what the women on GGW do.
I don’t know what’s going on with the charges listed in this April 4 press release, but I thought y’all might be interested in it in light of your discussion.
How?
This is pretty much the established modus operandi at every party in universities in the Western hemisphere that I know of. Only in this case the setting is more controlled and therefore, it’s safe to assume, safer than the ordinary variety of drunken revelry. I have no doubt that I’m not alone in having seen some pretty vicious events “out on the town” while at university, ranging from drunk girls putting themselves in situations where they are physically abused to alcohol-fueled fights involving dozens of people and producing casualties aplenty. As for drugs, they’ll be in the hands of party people with or without the help of GGW or similar outfits.
I have already stated my suspicion that the GGW organizers may be taking advantage of inebriated women in those cases, e.g., where they approach the particularly drunk ones and ask them to perform sexual acts. I don’t know if this is what happened, but I suspect it’s possible and I don’t condone it in the least. Especially if minors are involved, which is, of course, against the law.
For crying out loud, it’s not a question of dropping your top or finding happiness, it’s a night out and sometimes things can get pretty wild. GGW films this wildness and nudges it along. I have already stated my suspicion that they may be taking advantage of some of the girls, but I just don’t see flashing breasts as the collapse of moral society you are thundering about. They’re breasts, they are not only considered attractive objects but half the population has them.
No one is forcing you to watch. Plenty of other people will be glad to appreciate the women you find a bit too much.
Most women manage to respect and objectify themselves as you call it every time they wear a push-up bra, apply make-up, put on high heels, flaunt mini skirts, or wear generally revealing clothing. And that’s a good thing, a very good thing. It’s about time people realized that the human female body evolved precisely as an object of beauty, not some ugly thing to hide away and repress.
Ultra-feminist drivel – I hope that you have good reasons and are not just speaking from a position that I call the “sexual busybody” – in other words imposing your own specific brand of acceptable conduct on others in direct contrast to their freedom.
You say “Men just want sex” and then moan about how women are interested in “monetary returns” as opposed to “human compassion”.
Bit of a double standard in action, obviously.
It seems to me that both men and women want sex, and both want “human compassion” or love, etc. If you are having little luck engaging the kind of woman who is interested primarily in monetary return, I suggest you look for other targets. No reason to become embittered against all womankind – that would be a hasty and unfortunate generalization.
The tendency of women to go after monetary returns is partly the result of long-standing male oppression – after all, even today men are still paid more and can attain better jobs and higher positions than women.
What I was trying to say is that GGW is helping to evolve “good” girls into “party” girls. It is helping to make girls that I would normally find attractive do stuff that I find unattractive. It’s helping to make this drunken debauchery more and more accepted. You may like that. And a lot of “guys” like that obviously, but not everyone likes to act that way. I like girls that DON’T like to act that way. But then they see that there are so many normal girls flashing the crowd and camera and they are more likely to assume that if they don’t act that way they won’t be accepted. They feel pressure. GGW adds to the pressure. It’s making it tougher on them and tougher on good guys like me.
Well, it’s perfectly fair to say that you may not like the attitudes displayed by GGW girls, however it’s another matter entirely to form a value judgement based on what you like and don’t like – that’s entirely subjective and will apply only to your personal standards. I imagine there are “good girls” and “bad girls” alike in the GGW crowd, the main difference is that these girls are less inhibited (perhaps temporarily so) than the ones you seem to like.
Being uninhibited doesn’t mean being “bad” by any means, in fact it’s a rather healthier attitude than severe inhibition (are women who suntan topless “bad”? What about women who wear clothing that flaunts the physique?). The girls are having fun, they get to party for free (a key concept when one is in university), and they’re not hurting anyone. Why would that make them bad?
I don’t think your attitude makes you a good guy, I think it makes you a prude and so does your notion that others should conform to your standards. Not that I think women who won’t disrobe for a camera are prigs and prudes – in many cases they may just be sober. I also think a lot of the gals who get drunk and dance around naked on spring break go home and are fine women anyone would be glad to have the chance to marry. Frankly, a little looseness in the hips where appropriate makes for a happy marriage.
Allow me to throw some gasoline into this little fire…
No one seems to have made the observation that more than 90 percent of these “empowered” women are white. That percentage is a very conservative estimate. Ive seen one GGW video which was the Snoop Dogg Mardi Gras one. I saw maybe 2 black women (shown repeatedly), the rest were white and one possible asian.
I dont know if its because the target audience prefer white women only or if only white women are easiest to dupe with beads and t-shirts. Heck, when I was in Lake Havasu during spring break, all it took was a chant (show us your tits) from a rabid crowd of man-boys to get half of them to flash us. I just regarded this a exhibitionism. why is this fetish any more degrading than B&D or orgies?
MORE degrading than B&G or orgies? I really don’t think it’s more degrading. In fact, I really don’t think girls voluntarily showing their goods, even for beads or shirts, is degrading. But it is objectifying.
Yes, sorry guess I should have clarified further. but I think you may have missed my point a bit. I’ve not seen these girls in the GGW videos (but then again, I’ve only seen the little snips they show in the commercials) “coming on to everyone in the party”.
I personally don’t think flashing buns and boobs, and sexy dancing IS “stupid”. Nor do I think it’s “slutty”. I don’t think that being young, gorgeous and celebrating one’s young gorgeousness (okay, not a real word), should necessarily be a black mark against the young women.
Especially since the hordes of young men watching these videos (either in person, or renting/owning one) seem to simultaneously be thinking “wow she’s hot” and “what a slut”.
If THAT’S not a double standard. Hell.
Yes, exactly. And I guess that’s the point I was trying to make earlier as well. I get tired of the “drunken ho-bag” comments.
Not that I was ever in a GGW, they didn’t have those when I was a bonny lass. 
I did however, enter into a wet T-shirt contest, ENTIRELY sober and ENTIRELY for fun, when I WAS a cute young thing of 19.
I’ll admit that there’s a girl that looks “just like me” wink wink, in one of the GGW…it’s one of the earlier ones. Frankly, (my sorority sisters and I) were just being silly girls and flashing our breasts in New Orleans. It was stupid fun, but harmless and I did get beads. 
No one asked me or any of my friends to do anything more than show our breasts.
As far as feminism goes, I don’t think it makes a difference one way or another. To some extent it was empowering to me in a sexual way because it was the first time I realized that some men could be proven to make total fools out themselves just to see my boobs… Did I feel degraded? Nope, not really; however, if someone asked me to kiss my friend or masturbate, and I did it in a weak moment then I probably would regret it, but it would have taken a lot more than booze and some pressure to get me to masturbate…kissing a girl not so much…I like girls…
As far as coming back to bite me on the ass, a tit flash isn’t such a big deal nowadays…even some good girls do it. Now the kissing or masturbation could have been a problem. The one time the GGW thing even became an issue was when an adjuster (male) told me there was a girl that looks just like me on a GGW video. I think he knew, but I made some smart ass comment about him watching trash like that and it was pretty much a draw…
Awwwwwwwww…and you’re not going to tell me which tape it was either, are you? I promise I’ll keep my hands above the blankets when I’m watching for it
So what does that really mean “Objectifying”? A woman has an asset she can sell without any degradation or loss to herself. Whether she flashed boobs or pubes, it was her choice and she can command what reward she chooses. Is that selling her body? I dont think so. She lost nothing. Dancers, bodybuilders, actors and performers do roughly the same thing. Its entertainment albeit cheap. If there are any objections to placing a price on a persons body parts, one has to remember that each individual sets the price. A college student may do it for a t-shirt but try asking Beyonce Knowles to do that for the same price. Each woman has that power and as long as it is their power, then I dont see why its wrong.
Just how much more than booze? I have connections 