Besides, this stuff with Guiliani is all part of the same damn thing.
Russia is at war with Ukraine. It’s been going on for a long time. Many Ukrainians in the Eastern part of the country are of Russian descent and sympathetic to Russia. It’s a big political dividing line in that part of the world, there are Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs that are aligned with Western (US and Europe) interests in Ukraine, and others that are aligned with Russia and want to minimize Western influence in the region.
Like most wars, it’s not just a military war for territory, both sides are trying to win the “hearts and minds” of the Ukrainian people. As a political consultant, Paul Manafort was ( and according to Mueller investigator Andrew Weissman, still is) deeply aligned with Russian interests in Ukraine and the focus of his work was getting Russian-aligned candidates into power in order to facilitate a Russian takeover of Eastern Ukraine. I might add, his political tactics involved drumming up fake charges against the opposition and having them arrested and jailed.
Because of these factors, his very presence on a US Presidential campaign was cause for concern across US intelligence agencies, as it should have been. His past behavior was so egregious that I feel it would’ve been negligent not to investigate any political campaign he was managing, even in the absence of all the other evidence that the campaign was trying to coordinate with Russian agents.
Rudy Guiliani, while not publicly connected to the same individuals as Manafort, is working with people that have the same political alignment and connections
Believe it or not, the US government actually has policy positions that are based on things other than the mood of the President today. Unsurprisingly, US foreign policy favors politicians and oligarchs that are aligned with Western interest as opposed to Russian interests.
As the state department was was working with Ukraine and Zelensky to advance Western interests, the President’s goon squad began to threaten and intimidate him in order to advance Russian interests. A couple of months ago, Time Magazine ran some previously unreleased Rudy/ Zelensky tapes, one in which he tells Zelensky to be careful and get rid of the people around him that don’t like Trump, or there’ll be trouble.
During this call he basically channeled all the conspiracy theories about Ukraine interfering in the election for Hillary, with a big dose of anti-Soros paranoia - I feel that’s significant because Soros hate is a talking point that started with Putin and it’s an indication that he’s been co-opted by all the Russian propaganda that he’s been fed. It was the kind of call a gang lieutenant makes when he’s pulling a store into his “protection racket”, no overt threats but the message was clear, especially in light of the subsequent events.
It’s worth noticing that Ukraine released this transcript shortly after Trump left office, and also that Zelensky has now publicly spoken about how pissed off he was at being extorted. It happened in an Axios interview, the interviewer asked if he was a little bit angry at Trump. He laughed and said “A little bit?”.
I think we owe it to him, as the leader of a friendly country, to bring the men that tried to strong-arm him to justice.
And I’m sick and tired of the people that believe there’s nothing wrong with this because Rudy didn’t actually pull a gun on anyone or something. Because Trump and Rudy have this gangster plausible deniability bullshit down to a science, ( it is a unique situation because it involves a President and a foreign leader), that doesn’t mean it’s not a serious national security issue, or not a crime.
I think it’s important to remember that the motivation of the Rudy’s Ukrainian/Russian friends is to advance their campaign to annex Eastern Ukraine. Tricking Trump into to withholding military aid would’ve been a huge victory in that campaign.
My opinion is that the “Ukraine hacked the 2016 election” and “Hunter and Joe corrupt” disinformation campaigns were chosen by Russian aligned interests in order to trick Trump and Rudy into helping them. And if it weren’t for some brave whistleblowers, it would’ve worked.