I agree completely. The vig should just decide for themselves what to do.
#103 Doesn’t understand the risks of an honest VT claim, a person claiming a recruitment attempt is either lying or confirmed Town - considers this valuable information
#104 NETA: they could also be the mad bomber
#115 Again, considers a player either being a liar or non-scum as a helpful data point
#208 Admittedly “me too” vote on Pleo based on reasoning given by others, doesn’t like unforced claim
#209 NETA
#321 Comments on pointing out PIS being an accurate scumtell in a previous game
#338 To Pleo, asks how vote is anti-town
#341 Defends vote because all we have on Day 1 are stated positions
#345 Wouldn’t be surprised if Pleo flipped vanilla but doesn’t have any better candidates
#384 Is convinced that Pleo is a misguided townie, unvotes
#391 Defends unvote, has a Town ping from Pleo, vote was “closer to a disagreement over tactics than to a full-blown belief in his scumminess”, will wait to evaluate Pleo’s actions
#394 Votes MentalGuy in response to his vote on Pleo
#396 Wonders how to account for Day scum-talk, welcomes thoughts
#402 Corrects Peeker on vote order
#403 NETA
#410 Questions Septimus on his vote on Astral, missing the MentalGuy case
#413 Questions Septimus on his reasoning for voting `Astral, given his experience
#417 Wonders if Pleo will make a self-defense vote
#422 Wants to take a closer look at Mahaloth of Mental flips scum, suspects that Mental’s vote was intended to protect Mahaloth
#428 Comments on Pleo’s reasoning for not claiming VT when scum
#432 Asks Ed why he’s not voting Mental
#433 Wants a vote count
#436 Suspects Mental is scum and Pleo is Town
#438 Comment on votes
#445 Thinks Suburban will look bad for voting Pleo over Mental if Mental flips scum
#452 Asks Pleo why he’s giving Mental a pass for his vote reasoning
#457 Disagrees with Pleo’s explanation (better a bad reason for a vote than no reason at all)
#459 To Septimus, who doesn’t see why Mental’s vote is so bad, comments that the other players mentioned were also in contention for lynch, wonders why Septimus doesn’t see why Mental is suspicious
#460 NETA
#464 In response to Septimus’ comment on scummy players making “slicker” statements, jokingly comments that being self-contradictory and seemingly anti-town means you’re a sincere Towni
#468 To Zeriel, hadn’t realized how ties work, finds Mental much more suspicious than Pleo, Astral too (for forcing a tie without much comment), won’t switch to Astral as Pleo would be lynched
#474 To Surburban, explains Mental’s comment about believing in self-preservation votes
#476 Quotes rule on ties
#484 To Sache, explains question to Ed (in #432), was expecting Ed to vote and thought it was odd that he didn’t. Doesn’t understand Sache’s thought that’s he’s being delicate with Ed, explains comment on Suburban’s vote on Pleo (in #445)
#486 NETA
#487 Asks Sache why he’s willing to vote Pleo over Mental
#494 To Ed, who’s asking the same question Sache asked about the comment to Suburban, suggests he reads his reply
#496 To Drain, tells her when dusk occurs, agrees that Mental is the best option
#498 To Sache, responds that the comment to Surburban was intended as a joke, is not capable of setting up a player, explains why he made the comment at the time
#502 To Sache, asks for his thoughts on Mental’s vote
#504 In response to Ed, encourages Surburban to find scum
#507 In response to Ed’s comment that he’s proven himself incapable of setting up a player, “nice”
#511 To Ed, wonders why he gets no credit for being the first to vote Mental
#516 To Mental, doesn’t see relation between timing of votes and a false-claim from scum, unvotes, expects him to be dead in the morning
#517 To Ed, doesn’t expect to be absolved of any consequences of other actions just for voting Mental, “don’t be [noisily and stubbornly defiant]”
#519 Forgot about the implications of the jailer’s role on Mental’s claim
#550 Fluff
#585 Fluff: “Can’t wait till morning. Should be really, really interesting.”
#590/595 Fluff
#608 To Mahaloth about his fluff comment, doesn’t think it was off. Wants to hear from Mental
#625 Expains in more detail - based on Zeriel’s response to Mahaloth
#644 To Wolverine, agrees that there’s not much to discuss. Trusts Drain “waaaay more” than Mental but is “loath to vote to lynch”
#651 Votes Drain, will vote Mental if she flips vanilla
#652 NETA
#654 To Septimus, thinks his understanding of Mental’s survival is correct, agrees that the jailer should stay quiet about targeting Mental
#656 To Ed who asks about his experience in mafia, has played before
#660 To Ed, replies that he already said he thought Drain was the obvious lynch
#661 Adds further info to previous post, is confused why Ed is suspicious
#664 To Ed, who quoted "I trust Drain waaaay more than I do MentalGuy, explains reasoning behind wanting to lynch Drain toDay
#667 Further banter with Ed, suspects he’s trying to lynch the loud
#677 Asks how we should account for scum Day talk
#703 Posts order of Night actions
#705 Posts order of Day action
#708 Considers Idle cautiously confirmed due to his claim
#714 Is skeptical of any action to keep the bomber alive, Town needs to kill Drain, doesn’t see how lynching her reduces Town’s mislynch number
#718 To Wolverine, Mental won’t be around to plant one more bomb as he won’t survive toMorrow if Drain is Town
#721 To Astral, misunderstands comment about letting the Vig deal with Mental, asks which individual Astral is talking about leaving it entirely in the hands of
#724 To Wanderers, who explained that the individual is the jailer, says it makes sense, if Drain flips Town we still risk lynching the Vig so she can’t be vigged that Night
#725 Doesn’t understand Story’s idea and it makes no difference anyway
#727 Comments that we need to lynch Drain in order to know what she is and then what Mental is
#728 To Wanderers, is referring to actions toMorrow
#731 To Sache, points out cases where a Vig of Drain may not occur, statistically we’re likely to lynch a Townie so better to lynch Drain and, if she’s not the bomber, a scummy Mental
#732 Needs to go
#738 To Astral, repeats that leaving Mental to the Vig is a bad idea
#740 Realizes miscommunication, was referring to plans for toMorrow
#742 Repeats same to Story
#749 Asks Pede who is scummier than Drain, explains his comment about statistics and how not lynching Drain is statistically less favorable to Town
Wow, I hope I didn’t miss any posts, that was a long WoW for Day 2. I’ve already expressed my suspicions of Astral so I chose to look at someone else, Gadarene, as several of his posts caught my attention:
- the admittedly “me too” vote on Pleo followed by the subsequent unvote based on Pleo’s defense
- apparently looking for a pass from scrutiny for being the first vote on Mental - I’m not sure how to parse this until we see Drain’s reveal
- finding Astral suspicious (jumping on Zeriel’s incorrect comment about Astral forcing a tie without commenting) and stating that he wouldn’t vote Astral as Pleo would be lynched instead - when the vote count was 6-6-4. If he was so suspicious of Mental, why even consider switching to Astral?
- the inconsistency in finding Astral suspicious for forcing a tie but not Pleo who had done the same thing, in fact he still wanted to protect Pleo:
- ending the Day without a vote, not voting Astral based on his claim that he hadn’t forced a tie and that it was odd to single him out - why didn’t he check the facts for himself? Why trust Zeriel in the first place and then Astral, who he suspected, later?
- his 2 questions about the effect of scum Day talk on the game - not the question itself but the way it was asked twice “a random thought”
Mahaloth next.
but is this a mortal sin like hammering the Day to an early end or is it just a venal sin where a couple of our fathers and hail marys get you back to even?
or as cookies so eloquently stated elsewhere is it some combination of chia bingo managers and shoe hate?
Seconds this and adds a side of potatoes.
I have no problem asserting that there are behaviors and actions that I think are anti-town. If you have a problem with that, you know how to vote.
Misread your post. I tend to be wary of anyone using the statistical argument, since this game is all about getting past the statistics. But if you’re just arguing safe lynch vs. unsafe lynch, that’s different.
Yes, I do acknowledge that that’s how the game works. But…okay, so if you think it’s a good idea, would you suggest doing it every Day, or just toDay? If not, why not?
Somewhere in yesterDay’s voting are clues to who’s Scum, but I’ve just confused myself with double-think and triple-think trying to look for those clues. I was hoping for guidance while that 1st Day activity was fresh in minds, and disappointed that toDay turned into an automatic Lynch.
So I like the suggestion that we scum-hunt toDay even though we already know who we’ll Lynch. It serves a useful purpose whether Vig takes our advice or not. For that reason, remarks like this one:
which focus attention away from scum-hunting toDay seem anti-Town and perhaps scummy.
Are we ready to hammer or is there more to discuss?
Anyone still here? There’s been on average a post an hour over the past 17 hours (including fluff) with no posts for the past 8 hours.
I think too many people are silent and waiting for the Day to end. While some people still want use the time, I want to hear from more than just a few people. I’m ready for a lynch so we can wait for an additional 2 days before we can really get going again.
Vote Drain Bead (which should bring the count up to 10 with 2 more needed for the hammer)
On preview, I just saw Mahaloth’s post.
vote Drain
rut roh. the next person to vote gets the dreaded zeriel next Day early hammer vote.
neta: that is, of course, if the next voter votes drain.
To respond to ped:
I’m not trying to rush it. I just don’t want the game to get boring and for us to drift away. I think the Drain lynch is so obvious, we can move on to the next Day.
However, and I do mean this, if anyone honestly has more to discuss, please feel free to do so. No idea why you would be waiting so long, but if it matters to you, show up and discuss things.
sigh
You don’t see a consensus forming here? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unilateral
Vote Drain Bead.
Boom.
Damn it, Astral, I wanted to hammer myself.
You might as well vote in case we’ve miscounted. 
How very Pleonast-eqsue of you. Optimizing the use of Town powers is pro-town. All such attempts to optimize Town Powers is pro-Town.
By the numbers, I think it would make sense to use all the time. Two lynches are better than one. To some degree in past games Vigilante’s have taken an implicit straw poll by killing off the second lead vote getter. I think formalizing the process would be better since it allows for higher stakes for coming in second and opportunity to claim.
However, such a plan is woefully difficult to implement. We have hard enough time killing off one person a day.
In this particular case with Drain Bead, the mechanics seem more amenable to the process. We have a solid lynch, so much so that the vote record will not reflect anything of interest. In this case I think the argument for a second lynch is even better, but still the herding of cats issue prevents its implementation on a practical level.
Really? WTF? You’re getting impatient because we don’t post 24/7?
Please note that I have a habit of sleeping. Your “past 8 hours” corresponds to 1AM-9AM EST. Don’t expect me to post during those times.
Personally, I want to wait out the clock. If the Day end now, the next Day will start on Friday and be swallowed up by the weekend. While weekend issues are inevitable, I prefer to delay the inevitable for as long as possible.
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence. One of the greatest powers of the vig is that he’s NOT beholden to a town vote that (by necessity) includes scum and third-party/PFK actors. Optimal use of his powers requires him to judge to what extent town’s suspicions are modified by the hidden evil actors and act accordingly.