Sure, I meant the idea in general. Any claimed vanilla town can fill the shoes, I think.
The Vig needs to shoot at someone who isn’t a power role.
Not ETA:
Or anyone we feel is more lynch-worthy.
NO
Everyone claims “Vanilla” or “Not Vanilla” Except for the Vigilante who will also claim “Vanilla”
Yeah yeah yeah. Whatever.
Technically it isn’t a mass claim though. We are only dividing into Vanilla and non-vanilla groups. Power roles should not reveal what powers they have.
Also the Vigilante is lying.
This isn’t a typical mass claim.
Damn simulposts:
Now I see that not any lynch candidate is ideal: we DO need a claimed vanilla to avoid hitting power roles.
Handy Chart for claims:
Vanilla Town claim Vanilla Town
Vigilante claims Vanilla Town
Mason claims Not Vanilla Town
Jailer claims Not Vanilla Town
Doc claims Not Vanilla Town
Cop already claimed but would have claimed Not Vanilla Town
Godfather claims Scum
Scum claim Scum
Simple right?!
The post in response was meant to be fun, but I forgot the smile faces.
In response to Septimus, It is true that divide and conquer can not guarantee a win (if it could I would ask for the game to be called right now) but it puts scum in a terrible position. We still play the game, but in a much more powerful position where we isolate the scum into sub-groups. We still have to rely on playing the game to flesh out scum (which is the point of the game right?). The hope is that our lynch and the Vig kills won’t be ‘random,’ but guided by the vote record and behavior to find scum. Divide and conquer maximizes the power of the Vig to do so without hurting the Town by hitting a Town Power role. Scum have a tricky decision to make. Claiming Vanilla puts them at risk of getting Vigged. Claiming Power Role puts them at risk of getting lynched.
Additionally, once we know how many scum are hiding in which pool, would it be worth considerign the masons claiming as they can confirm each other, thus cutting down the power role pool even more?
And apparently, you think this is me still? Unless I missed your unvote.
No one needs to claim Not-Vig. I’m not sure why you are thinking that. the “others” are all obviously not the Vig since they didn’t claim Vanilla.
No Vanillas need to claim Not Vig either since the Vig already knows that information.
Also if any Town powers trigger (Doc protect, Jail Protect, or Cop Investigation) we can out power scum that way too.
Yep, I unvoted. And I corrected that statement. Things have changed!
One last thought before bed, that I asked before: does scum targeting the Vig in the vanilla pool mess things up?
We can jump off that bridge when we get to it. My inclination is no, but we should re-evaluate when we have a feel for the number of scum in the power role set.
They are certainly welcome to try!
It will suck if they hit the Vig, but that should be a long shot at least at first. Eventually they will have better odds, but by then we should be in control of the game. Its a risk for them too. If they hit Vanilla instead of the Vig then they are helping us in our task of creating a confirmed Town pool and reducing the unconfirmed.
I’m beginning to think everyone except sachertorte saw “Septimus” at the top of a post and automatically ignored what followed. 
Two Vanilla claimants are all we need to get through the coming Day-Night cycle, and we already have them. I would ask what difference can it make to wait until Tomorrow to do the mass claim? The one difference I see is that claiming now it is very likely a Town power will be killed toNight. If we delay the claim until Tomorrow then, perhaps with Mahaloth Jailed and Mental Doc’ed, Scum may kill Vanilla or miskill altogether.
Answering my own question, the mass claim protects the Vig from accidental NK if we assume Scum will direct their NK at the Powers. But I’m not sure they will: if they agree that sachertorte’s plan leads to likely Town victory, they may deviate and try to guess who Vig is as their best chance. They don’t even need to do that toNight: as the pool of True Vanillas dwindles, Scum may be able to guess Vig’s identity long before the final rounds.
In summary, I see much to be feared and little to be gained by giving four identities (2 Masons, Jailer, Doc) to Scum toDay, rather than waiting until Tomorrow.
I agree to the extent that we’ve run out of time to enact the claim, and push for a lynch based on it that will likely net scum. That’s the advantage. If we have our separate pools then we lynch from the power one with powers able to claim to avoid lynch. A counter-claim stand-off is likely to happen, but we will know that one of them is scum. Thats the advantage of acting now.
If we don’t lynch based on the vanilla claims, then the benefits are diminished.
That’s my long way of saying I agree with septimus’s reservations.
Since the mass Vanilla Claim seems to be out for Today. Let’s drop it for now and pick it up in the morning.
I think we should try and determine the existence of a Doc. We need consensus on this point before nightfall.
The proposal:
Jailer jails MentalGuy (or not if he wants to play mind games with scum)
Mahaloth chooses a Vanilla Target from the set {sachertorte, Suburban Plankton, pedescribe}
Vigilante kills Vanilla Target chosen by Mahaloth
Doc protects Vanilla Target chosen by Mahaloth
Then tomorrow we will know whether or not we have a Doc.
We need consensus so I call for an up and down vote on this proposal. With 18 players 9 is a split, 10 is a majority.
I vote Yes.
Or am I being overly paranoid about scum? What do we feel about the sleepers? I originally felt that the sleepers were activated, but I’ve drifted in my thinking. Am I being too paranoid?
I’m probably going to embarass myself by revealing my ignorance here, but I thought we knew the roles.
Aren’t they as below?
**Role Distribution
1 scum roleblocker
1 scum godfather
2 scum vanilla
2 sleepers
1 deranged bomber
1 town cop
1 town jailer
1 town vigilante
3 town masons
8 vanilla town **
If the scum activate a sleeper, the other sleeper becomes a town doc.