I don’t have any problem with people being different, but I don’t see the need to pretend they aren’t. Jews can’t participate in a conversation about the awesomeness of bacon, men can’t talk about being pregnant, short people can’t talk about the difficulties of being tall, and gay men can’t talk about the hotness of women.
No, because I am talking about group conversations where the majority of participants are heterosexual. If I find myself with a group of homosexuals talking about hot guys, I would follow the advice I gave in this thread.
But nobody was talking about group conversations until you brought it up out of thin air. Illuminatiprimus was talking about a one-on-one conversation he had with a straight man. Rigamarole responded to that anecdote in a way that was sympathetic to the straight man, to which Antinor01 replied that “maybe the straight guy shouldn’t have brought up his own sex life” if he didn’t want to hear about the gay guy’s. Inner Stickler agreed with that assessment:
To which you responded:
Which is a total non sequitur. And if you were to follow your own logic, you’d find that a group of people talking about a one-on-one conversation isn’t an invitation for you to share your feelings about hypothetical group conversations.
But people humored you on the change in subject, because most people aren’t so demanding that conversations never veer into new territory, as you are except when you’re changing the subject yourself.
Agreed about the lame jokes not helping. Especially when they are lame jokes and not funny except for some sort of ‘taboo’ breaking, which fails if you don’t accept that taboo.
Similarly, whenever lesbians come up in conversation or in threads, at least one straight gay will act like lesbians are there to provide straight men with wank-fodder. That is really fucking tiresome.
Huh? But he’s still attracted to people. So if the straight men are talking about which women they find hot, he can add which men he finds hot. It’s the same topic, not a change of topic.
Not in treis’s world it would appear, to him/her they appear to be completely unrelated topics, as far apart as needle point and quantum physics.
Given the number of people who are finding themselves incredulous at treis’s position I suggestion we recognise it for the brick wall that it is and move to something else.
I think that’s a fair assessment. In fact it probably would have been a fair assessment back when he went to the absurd length of saying that a Jewish person shouldn’t mention childhood Hannukah memories when a group decides to discuss Christmas.
Or, the gay guy or the Jewish guy or the handicapped guy or the black guy or the red-headed stepchild guy can keep quiet with their unique concerns, let mainstream discussion take place, and stop insisting that “we’re all equal and all norms and values are relative” because they are not.
Sorry, but a man making it known to a group of men that he thinks a man passing by has a nice ass is never going to get the same reaction as the same thought about a women…even in the 1% metrosexual, uber-liberal Ivy League elite. That’s just the way it is.
Able-bodied heterosexual straight white western European Christian American men are sick of having to constantly walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone or appearing racist. Case in point is that most of you will even view my viewpoint of “enough-is-enough” as racist in and of itself. PC has gone too far. Grow a sac. Thicken that skin.
In my experience, that 1% is far more bigoted than most. I never heard a Jewish joke until I met a white guy from Harvard. (It was pretty amazing.)
I don’t recall conversations among gays and straights, men and women as ever having to revolve around the preferences of straight men, though. Ever. Maybe I’m too young for that bullshit. If someone who normally voices his opinion on his sexual tastes doesn’t find it easy to participate in a conversation in which a variety of sexual preferences are voiced, I probably wouldn’t want to be his friend. What a bore.
Learn to enjoy other points of view!
Oh, and incidentally… I went to a small town high school. A couple boys grew up to be drag queens, a few others, doctors, nurses, mechanics, teachers. We are all friends on facebook now and so far, neither the youth pastor nor the hunting guide with the NRA logo for a profile picture have unfriended the drag queen for his daily hottie posts. And of course we ladies are always grateful.
No, I’m pretty sure your average straight guy literally couldn’t tell you if Brad Pitt or Steve Buscemi was more attractive. At least many of them will say so.
Personally I’d take Brad Pitt over a lot of the women I’ve seen, but sexual interest is a fickle thing, I’m sure there’s people of both sexes that think Steve is uber hot.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t bang Steve Buscemi, I just am willing and able to acknowledge that that is a sexual perversion that relatively few people share.
Fair enough. Personally I wish it was possible to have more of these types of conversations in real life, but people that are open minded enough for such discussion don’t always seem to be in much abundance.
Personally I wish it was possible to have more of these types of conversations in real life, but people that are open minded enough for such discussion don’t always seem to be in much abundance.