Unfortunately simply because you feel this way doesn’t make it so.
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“Whether or not Vice President Gore should, or should not, turn to a judicial solution if he feels that the ballot design in Palm Beach County is open to debate.”
You’ve been a kid too, right? What do you think of the schoolground kid who agrees to the toss of a coin, or rock, paper, scissors and then complains when he loses? Enough said. Don’t fucking complain after you lose. Complain before. -
“Assuming that the recount numbers hold, and Vice President Gore decides that it would be better not to pursue a court challenge, would Governor Bush’s presidency be any more legitimate?”
Yes. Bush IS the legitimate winner. It’s GORE the rat who’s challenging the legitimate winner. -
“The question is simply whether or not the flawed ballots disenfranchised enough people so that judicial relief is warranted.”
This statement is stupid. Are you forgetting something? The disenfranchisment goes both ways. It would have confused Gore as well as Bush voters unless you think that Gore are more stupid. You’ve fallen for the Democrat rhetoric that all the lost votes from the fucking incompetents go to Gore. Maybe they have some inside information on why only stupid fuckers vote for Gore and smart people vote for Bush. -
“We are a nation of law, or so we claim with a great deal of satisfaction. It was one of the founding precepts of this country. The tendency of people to turn to the law as a way to redress what they perceive to be injustices should not come as a surprise to you, or anyone else.”
Get off your fucking moral high horse. In this country, if you see a sign that says “Caution, wet floor” and you slip you can still fucking sue them. It’s a fucking joke. There is no justice. I know, I’m retired now, but I have been the unintended beneficiary of such lawsuits. The law is being twisted around to fuck people any which way they can be fucked every day. This country’s tort law needs to be reformed. You and I are both paying for this.
Your post may be couched in nice words, but your whole post is naive. Your naivite is incredible.
Wow, Ankh_Too, that was an extremely thoughtful, balanced, sane and pragmatic post. Totally wasted here in the Pit, of course, especially on MF. Come back, we need you in Great Debates! 
Castrate yourself, shit-for-brains, if you can find a precision tool delicate enough for that micro-task.
Obviously you support George W. Bush, which says that you are either 1)a knowing but greedy sonofabitch with no social conscience whatsoever, or 2) a major loser made comfortable by a president who poses no threat to your own limited capabilities. Based on your eminently forgetable posts, I place you in the second category.
As your posts read like the effusions of a deranged retard, I won’t waste bandwidth by rebutting you on a point-by-point basis. I’ll conclude instead by instructing you to change your name ever so slightly: Major Blowhard says it all.
Thank you so much, Mandelstam, for the thoughts and language that will help to heal the country in a time of great division and potential crisis. So eloquent, thoughtful, and, well, just darn outright inspiring. Lord knows, we need more with your ability to see beyond partisan leanings, to realize that, in the end, we’re all just Americans. God bless you, and God bless America.
Yeesh, Johnson, Joe Lieberman himself couldn’t be more trite.
As to my avowed partisanship. Yes, you’ve nailed me. I have political beliefs. I’m not willing accept meaningless platitudes like “compassionate conservative” and “unifier, not a divider.” (And yes, there is plenty lacking on the other ticket too.) W. is a rich man’s candidate with just enough of a good-'ol-boy mentality to appeal to losing
average Joes who like the fact that the man can’t speak English and talks in garbled soundbites. Oh, that’s right. He also appeals to studs like you who get wet dreaming of making a killing on the stock market with their payroll taxes.
Don’t make me laugh, fuckwit. A lecture on civics from you is like a advice on dieting from Rush Limbaugh.
If Rush Limbaugh offered me dieting advice, I’d listen. Have you seen him lately? The guy has slimmed down a lot.
That’s a invalid analogy. One is a game of chance and the other is determined on the willful actions of the humans.
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Okay, Beak, you make a good point. Rush did have his mouth surgically clamped long enough to sweat some lard off his flabby butt.
Choose, if you please, any of the following:
A lecture on civics from Johnson is like…
a) advice on hair loss from Rush Limbaugh.
b) personality lessons from Dick Cheney.
c) marriage counseling from Newt Gingrich.
d) investment banking guidance from Neil Bush.
e) sex tips from Bob Dole.
f) fashion updates from Barbara Bush.
and, in a spirit of bipartisanship,
g) chastity training from Bill Clinton.
The analogy is valid. It goes towards your sense of justice and decency. You agree on something and back out when you lose. Anyway, the way the people vote, much of it is a game of chance.
You know, somehow I don’t think you’re a newbie. You’re someone using a new name. Based on your post, you’re a total idiot and loser.
You have no idea which candidate stands for what. Were you one of those morons who carried one of those “Re-vote now” signs?
As a matter of fact, I am a self made person with a lot of social conscience. I care about where this country is going to, which is to hell, due to morons like you. I am one of the millions of people who pay taxes, support the community and that the country counts on.
Let me change your name slightly too, to Mandelfuck. And that’s the mistake your parents made. They fucked and created you.
Let me dumb down my earlier response for those who can apparently only use four-letter words (well, fuckwit is a seven-letter word). When you assert, as you did, Mandelstam that anyone who would vote for Bush is either a selfish greedy pig or an idiot who doesn’t know any better, you’re just being inflammatory and, well, stupid. Yes, I’m a Republican, and a rather conservative one at that. Yes, I voted for Bush. Yes, all things considered there were better potential candidates. But I don’t think that everyone who voted for Gore is either a) too lacking in self-confidence to make it on their own in this world or b) simply moronic for voting for the party that gave us Lani Guinier and made “White House intern” a phrase that can actually get giggles.
I’m of the opinion that the majority of supporters of both candidates are people of good will who differ in their opinions, but who can get along. Then, there’s the minority (yes, on both sides), who are numbskulls like you.
Geez, getting a civics lesson from Mandelstam is like
[list][li]getting campaign advice from Bill Bradley[/li][li]getting public relations advice from Trent Lott[/li][li]getting advice on race relations from Al Sharpton[/li][li]getting skiing lessons from Sonny Bono[/li][li]getting fashion advice from Madeline Albright (or Hillary, for that matter); and, well[/li]wiping your ass with a brick.
A better analogy would be if you were playing flip the coin, you call heads, it lands in the guy’s palm and you see it’s head, but then he drops it, it lands on the ground tails up, and tails is declared the winner.
You’re assuming that Gore fairly lost the election. The assumption by his staff and many, many voters in that he won the election, only to have it taken away by human error.
I agree that you can’t complain if you lose fairly, but you can if you lost unfairly. Or do you believe that a person should just shut up and take it when he loses a court case because of juror error? That you should just accept the loss of funds when the bank makes a mistake?
That said, I think he should accept the recount, whatever it maybe. Not because I think it’s fair to him or his voters, but because I think we’re becoming extremely polarized as a nation over this and need to move on to healing the rapidly growing divide between dem and reps.
Obviously you support Al Gore, which says that you either
- Are a communist who can’t stand the fact that people who are not as lazy as you might go out and actually do something with their lives, and since they worked hard while you did nothing, think you should get a cut of their money. Meanwhile, since you had a lot of time on your hands while you were doing nothing, you studied up on some worthless “cause” that you could spend other peoples money on. I mean hey, just because some guy worked hard and started his own company and worked 20 hours a day for 10 years to make it grow and prosper and finally got a financial return on it, meanwhile employing hundreds of people and sharing his money with them so they could have jobs and start their own families and lives, that’s no reason not to steal his profits and give it to your buddies cause you were all just too damn stupid and lazy to get off your asses and do something for yourself. Let’s steal from those with drive and initiative and vision who contribute positively to our society to give to those who feel no responsibility to do anything but for themselves, if even then!
or
- Just too dumb to realize that #1 is going on and, as such, may have been involved in that whole Palm Beach County thing and inadvertently voted for Buchanan. It’s that whole “inability to think” thing. I think it’s pretty indicative of the democratic party actually. “I can’t think and therefore voted incorrectly. I demand a revote! In the meantime I’ve retained some attorneys to come up with a billion reasons that my inability to think is not, in fact, my fault. So there.”
You know, somehow I don’t think you’re a newbie. You’re someone using a new name. Based on your post, you’re a total idiot and loser.
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I am completely new to this site although I’ve had more than my share of cyberdebate. And you’re right, I must be a total idiot and a loser or I’d find better things to do than reply to your drivel.
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You have no idea which candidate stands for what. Were you one of those morons who carried one of those “Re-vote now” signs?
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For the record, I agree with those who, like Beak, believe that there should be careful recounting in any state where the vote is close enough to change. In the meantime, W. should look after that lump of shit on his face and stop trying to play president-elect. His arrogant failure to notice that he hasn’t yet won is–well, it’s exactly what I’d expect of a rich kid frat boy who never earned his way into anything.
Unless evidence emerges of fraud, I don’t think there should be a re-vote. Though, if the ballot is deemed illegal according to Florida state law, my personal wish and yours will be irrelevant. If we all cared about the national interest as much as some profess to, we would watch basketball for a while until these ballots are fully counted. In the meantime I don’t think the country will fall apart. It will certainly do no worse than it did when a needless impeachment proceeding was pushed through for totally partisan reasons by a bunch of hypocritical Republicans. Where, Johnson, were your cries for healing then, when congress was trying to unseat a popular president for getting some head from a consenting adult?
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[the Major bloweth on, taking exception to my characterization of typical Republicans]
As a matter of fact, I am a self made person with a lot of social conscience. I care about where this country is going to, which is to hell, due to morons like you. I am one of the millions of people who pay taxes, support the community and that the country counts on.
Let me change your name slightly too, to Mandelfuck. And that’s the mistake your parents made. They fucked and created you.
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I don’t know what I’m supposed to make of this? Either it’s that Blowhard should be made patriot of the year b/c he pays taxes, or it’s that whereas my parents fucked when I was conceived, Blowhard is “a self made person”–kind of like the Frankestein monster but with no doctor.
As to supporting your community, well geez whiz, Major, if I’d thought you were the kind of guy who volunteered to coach little league, I’d have gone easier on you. Now I have this idea that you must look like Mr. Wilson in the old Dennis the Menace TV show. Let me modify my original observation.
Republicans like you may well believe that they have the best interest of the country at heart when you rally behind a candidate like Bush. Most of your information comes from TV commercials or partisan rags. That, at any rate, is a generous account of why you would support a candidate who wants to give heaping taxcuts to millionaires; gut people’s ability to sue corporations that fuck them over; leave companies to regulate their own environmental practices (!!!); and stack the Supreme Court with a bunch of bible-thumping wackos who believe that women shouldn’t be allowed to have control over their own bodies.
And, Johnson, if you’re reading, this is why, whatever the outcome of this election, I can’t partake of the namby-pamby bipartisan cocktail that you want to sell. As someone who pays significant attention to what is actually going on this country, I feel no obligation whatever to gulp down steaming buckets of Republican piss just because you want to hold my hand on the Internet.
Anybody see the little news item about what, exactly, inspired all these PBC blue-hairs to scream “I voted wrong! The ballot was confusing!”
Democratic telemarketers.
The Dems heard a few anecdotes about butterfly ballot confusion, then changed their taped phone messages urging people to get out and vote on election day to a message telling people the ballot was confusing and urging them to complain if they thought they mistakenly voted for a candidate other than Gore (hint-hint)
How very … Democratic.
As for the 19,000 spoiled ballots (which, it has been clearly pointed out, is not unusual AT ALL), now it appears many had no punch for president. And a great many could very well be ballots which were replaced with new, accurately tallied ballots when a person told an election staffer they had made a mistake and needed a new one.
So, Gore voters get to vote twice? You’re going to put unmarked ballots into the Gore column because that’s what the people really meant?
How very … Democratic.
Actually the perfect analogy is agreeing to play flip the coin with a quarter, now the dems come back and complain the quarter is too small or it’s weighted more on the tails side and they should have used a half dollar. Well
- Both parties agreed to the quarter prior to the flip.
- The quarter has been used many times before.
- You think the dems would be complaining and challenging if the flip had come their way?
Mandelstamm:
The world is neither black nor white. Neither are the the 2 candidates. (I happen to be pro-choice.) Unfortunately, we don’t have 20 candidates to choose from. In truth, we are not really voting the man Gore or the man Bush as our King to do whatever he chooses. We are voting for the ideology behind the candidate more than anything else. My reasons for voting for either party is too complicated and beyond the scope of this scope of this thread anyway. So don’t let’s get into the why and stick to why Gore is a fraud and a sore loser. Sincerely, Major Fuck You.
Mandelstam–
I have no desire to hold your hand over the Internet or in any other fashion–I don’t want to have to reach that far up your bowels.
Reasonable people can heartily and aggressively debate issues without impugning the motives of opponents. Reasonable people can recognize that, even though Democrats are wrong most of the time, they are still reasonable, decent people.
Most importantly, reasonable people can determine that you are, in fact, spewing bile with no constructive purpose, and your “significant attention” to what goes on in this country comes from the local 6:00 news and the front page of USA Today.
All Al was doing was waiting for FLORIDA LAW to do what it is set up to, including:
“If any paper ballot is damaged or defective so that it cannot be counted properly by the automatic tabulating equipment, the ballot shall be counted manually at the counting center by the canvassing board. . .”
But Bushy, terrified that his fragile grip on power would be lost, *goes to court to stop the law from doing what is right and provided for[i/i]
If that isn’t sore loser behavior, nothing is.
He’s a disgusting hypocrite.
stoid
Gore loses.
Gore challenges but he’s not a sore loser.
Bush challenges the challenge and he is.
This opinion wouldn’t happen to be based on your personal preference as to who you’d like to win would it?
Do you use any logic?
Do you even think about what you are saying, or do you just post whatever comes into your head?