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FormerAgent said:
As I just had to tell you in another thread, Cool it, now! Any further insults will be deleted. Any further threats will be likely cause for your expulsion from this message board.
David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator
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So when do we start again?
The ball is in your court, Formeragent. I have posed questions asking for details on some of the issues you raised: specifically, space stations and extra planets. Provide, please. If you cannot provide evidence to support these claims, then support some of your other claims. If you cannot provide evidence to support any of them, then this is going to be a very dull debate.
And please spare us the rhetoric about ‘the evidence is there but I can’t share it with you because it’s classified.’ If it exists, tell me where- I will get it.
Felice
“Everything, once understood, is trivial.” -WES
First off, people are purposely mis-construing my statements to make them look false, and thats wrong.
I never said I was trained for intelligence at DLI, I also attended it after Ranger graduation for nothing more than language training in Russian and Ukrainian.
Second I work in Langley, but not CIA, i work in a NEW branch, seperate from others, but under the budget of the NSA, and direction of as well, to share resources and costs, we are placed in Langley.
Further more it appears Phaedrus has done his homewrok, and knows that im for real, and may even have worked with me… which makes me very uneasy. But hey… i assumed the responsibility of this when i started it.
On to Felice:
Between Mars and Jupiter, in a belt of of debris there is a deep space listening station, NON-manned. Its relays are set to point to a station in orbit on the dark side of the moon. It wa built in cooperation between Aerojet RP, and Lockheed Martin, the plants that built it are in Azusa, Ca… Rancho Cordova, Ca… and somewhere in Kentucky… and then also Lockheed martin Southern California. The new tilt-fire, recovery system rockets being tested and built by Aerojet, are designed to deliver supplies and then return, land safely and be re-used. Launching out of New Mexico, recovering in Australia… Look in to it people.
Mars rover… landed, and it works, just depends on who controls the frequency, and WHO reset it before it left to only reply to THEM. as a precaution against what it might see and hear.
The second station is still being completed, but has a functional life support pod, and system, and has been up for 3 years now.
In regards to who knows of this… many people, but it has become old news in intelligence circles, much like the undersea base at Pacifico… where submarines and undersea testing are carried out… it sits on the edge of the continental shelf off of Catalina Island.
Better yet, it is said that fiction is a blend of truth and adventure added with some imagination. Aurora, the super stealth supersonic aircraft… exists, and works using some sort of external combustion engine, and has incorporated some alien technologies into it, much of it the stealth skin… which first was used on b-2, and f-117. YF-22 raptor has most of its components and armaments made at Aerojet… and uses this technology as well. So now here, ask this, does James Bond copy real life, or does real life copy him… the obvious answer is the second. So do you think a Moonraker laser exists?? and what about a space station… hint hint Starwars programs werent just satellites, cause satellites were “killable” and defenseless, thus a weapons platform was made.
The first MBT (main battle tank) using a laser as its main armament is now being tested at Aberdeen, you want proof… check Armor magazine for the “accidently” released specs (check the previous year as im not sure which it was, but i think it was somewhere between 12/1/99-7/1/99… its there
the placement of the stations makes them nearly impossible to see, unless you have the right equipment… and everyone who does, and can afford it… is working with the project.
Whew… fingers hurt, ill go slow but continue soon
Just to add another error to what I have no doubt will be a very, very, lengthy litany of them: FORMERAGENT seems to imply that the heretofore unknown ‘extra’ planets were discovered long ago by the Aricebo Radio Telescope.
As someone with his extensive military intelligence background surely recognizes, Aricebo looks for and receives only radio transmissions. Therefore, unless these extra planets are either quasars (kind of negating the definition of ‘planet’), or are broadcasting their local version of WXYZ 106.7 FM, I somehow doubt Aricebo has any dope on them.
~ Complacency is far more dangerous than outrage ~
you people disgust me, you are so knowledgable… about absolutly everything, yet dont know anything…
you know what THEY let you know, and nothing else… and thats not much.
BUT I QUIT, enjoy your wonderous intellects, and maybe you can argue over where I came from, or who i am later hmm? maybe?
anyways I now know what others must have felt like, enjoy your misery people, you all deserve it… i dont want to help anyone now. I was told my attempts to help humanity see what was hidden by others would fall on INGORANCE…and i see that my idealistic beliefs were wrong, and they were right.
thus i surrender…
In other words, Felice, no. He won’t provide any evidence. He’s continuing to make assertions without support and in direct opposition to fact.
He seems to be uninterested in (read: incapable of) answering your other questions.
He’s trolling for a response at best, in dire need of medication at worst. I’d recommend dropping him like a bad habit.
And welcome to the board, felice. Your posts to date indicate to me that you are an extremely well-spoken, rational, informed, and very intelligent person. Hope you stick around.
-andros-
Ding-dong the wicked troll is dead!
Ding-dong the wicked troll is dead!
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If only they all were this easy.
~ Complacency is far more dangerous than outrage ~
to the contrary Andros, im sure somewhere up there you can see what i listed and where you can look.
Self-absorbed, indignant, geniuses of the world,why argue intelligence and wisdom, when you lack the ability to question even your own beliefs? or is it that you think you know it all? If you did, then why are you on the internet all day long, instead of being paid large sums to give lectures, and consult governments, and why have none of you mentioned your nobel prizes… oh thats right, you are internet MD’s, and PHD holders, and in the real world… my answer to you all would be…
yes I do want fries with that, now stop day dreaming and get me my food…
dream on and thank god for the internet huh? otherwise you would all continue to just be…societies leftovers
Damn! How did I miss this?
Formeragent:
Have you ever heard of this fella, goes by the name of Bell, Art Bell?
You, laddie, give yourself far too much credit.
A blathering fool?
Awww. . .are you sure?
Promises, promises. . .
Waste
Flick Lives!
Some interesting assertions, FAgent, thanks for the info! I’ll check into it.
Hell is Other People.
Um…Formeragent…
Dare I point out that you, too, are logged on today?
This would be the Asteroid belt, I’m assuming.
Okay, I’m now counting THREE space stations: an unmanned listening station one in the asteroid beltlistening to what?), one in orbit around backside of the moon, and one still being completed. I guess that second and third are the ones containing all 140 astronauts, since the first is unmanned.
The thousands of people I mentioned earlier are not in intelligence circles. They are scientists, engineers, secretaries, and beaurocrats, who are involved in doing technical work which is classified. There is a very large difference between classified work, and intelligence work, and any Army Ranger also trained by the NSA should know that.
I’m going to ignore the whole bit about Aurora, ‘external combustion engines’ (which sounds like a fire to me, but what do I know)and James Bond, because I asked about facts, not fiction.
Armor magazine, according to their own home page, is not an official publication of the US Army. Their articles are not reviewed by an editorial board but are picked by the editor and staff. I don’t have last year’s copies right at hand, so I can’t look up that particular story. But the Army’s main battle tank, the M1A1/M1A23 Abrams, uses a cannon as its main weapon, although there is laser guidance circuitry available. Laser guided missiles on tanks have been around since the 70s.
That being said, lasers ARE used as weapons, especially in the counterintelligence realm, to blind prying eyes. That’s unfortunate, but not a secret. So what’s your point?
I find that improbable in the extreme. Our government officials can’t keep their own sex lives private: how could they possible keep multiple space stations secret?
And what about those extra planets?
Felice… your points arent very valid.
First of all What you think YOU know doesnt matter to me, the new MBT’s arent in use yet but are now being tested… and anyways… you talk big but arent, definately trust me on that. Go back to your sources, and shake harder, things fall out when you are more forceful.
So um…until then take your skepticism with you on the way out.
It amazes me that someone with so much experience working for the United States government has such an unstable temperament when encountering resistance.
You want a revolution, FORMERAGENT?
I suggest you set an example, because your megalomaniacal tirades will attract no one to your utopian vision save radicals who have seen far too many episodes of Millennium.
(For the record, it IS one of my favorite shows.)
FA, why not attempt, ATTEMPT to clue in all of us folks who’re trying to figure you out with patience and confidence instead of this mock-D.I. approach which only hamstrings your credibility?
You have an option: take my post sincerely, or endow my words with sarcasm and piety.
How’re you going to lead a country of skeptics if you can’t reassure a roomful of strangers of your sincerity?
damn good question… perhaps im not the man for the job, but im the one with the info… so what now…?
anyone else wanna volunteer? please…
I volunteer appropriate use of the shift key. While it may not be on par with laser firing, triple encrypted, protable cellular computers that communicate with secret satellites, I have found the shift key to be a nice little addition to anyone’s keyboard.
If you are out of shift keys, I think they sell a 4 pack of them at Radio Shack for approximately $2.50.
Well, shut my mouth. It’s also illegal to put squirrels down your pants for the purposes of gambling.
yes, yes… you made another joke…
laugh everyone, tell him hes cool, call him the “bomb”…
now watch for another hour for more funny jokes from comedy central himself…
At least he understands grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
Then you have no business being in the Great Debates Forum. There’s only value to a debate if you are interested in what the party you are debating knows.
True. I’m five feet tall.
Formeragent, I remind you: you know NOTHING about what sources I may or may not have available to me, just as I know nothing about yours. All I know about you is based on conflicting and factually incorrect statements that you have made in this forum.
There are people in the world who have access to more information than you do, and many of them post to this forum.
Excuse me? What is the point of a debate like this if one doesn’t bring one’s skepticism along?
Yo yo homie, I am most definitely the bomb. It’s like I’m in a pick-up game from my youth all of a sudden.
As for the title of Mr. Comedy Central, I think either Ben Stein or Jon Stewart own that title, but should they be unable to fulfill their duties, I would be glad to step in.
I am quite big (as regular posters are likely to know from my past posts). Does that mean I should talk small to equal things out?