Uh, sure there. “I want you. I need you inside of me. Yes, yes, yes. Oh god, don’t stop!”
Yeah we’re cool with it.
Since feminists aren’t concerned with owning thier own shit like Big Red here, which by the way I don’t need to be educated by you to know that not all women are like Big Red so why should we be concerned with idiots that don’t respect “you ain’t getting any”. Women have to be a little more direct, big deal. So put on your big woman panties and man up. This is what modern feminism has become complaining about trivial matters, hurt feelings, and dongle jokes at Pycon conferences. It’s petty.
As an example MRA’s are more concerned with evil shit like this spreading:
Norway’s Gender Equality Act that was passed.
In the very first sentence of the act : *This Act shall **promote gender equality *and aims in particular at improving the position of women. That’s not gender equality when you focus on one gender.
Section 16 of the act: *If there are circumstances that give reason to believe that there has been direct or indirect differential treatment in contravention of the provisions of this Act, such differential treatment shall be assumed to have taken place unless the person responsible proves on a balance of probabilities that such differential treatment nonetheless did not take place.
The first paragraph shall apply correspondingly when a person claims to have been subjected to an act of reprisal in contravention of section 3, fifth paragraph.
Amended by the Act of 14 June 2002 No. 21 (in force from 1 July 2002 pursuant to the Decree of 14 June 2002 No. 535) and the Act of 10 June 2005 No. 38 (in force from 1 July 2005 pursuant to the Decree of 10 June 2005 No. 527).
*
Translation: Prove you’re not guilty, otherwise you are.
Shit like this : Freaking out when boys act like boys in school. Boy suspended for pop tart gun
Shit like this: Abuse of POs by women , destroying men’s lives in the process to get what they want at any cost . Unless the man records it of course.
Shit like this: Policy aimed specifically towards men, where a man in the UK can be removed from his home with just an accusation of violence to police for at least 28 days, no investigation, no proof required.
There’s much more, but these are examples of what concerns MRAs, we’re more concerned with be treated equally in society, not the petty bs modern feminism has become: “The radical notion of treating grown adult women like children”
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get ready for a luncheon date with an awesome single mom with egalitarian views I’ve been banging.
Aww, good for you! Be sure and beat the dogshit out of any men who catcall her, k? Boys will be boys unless it’s yer mother, amirite?
Literally no clue who that person is. Youtube? Be serious.
If the status of women is lower, and you are seeking equality, then you by definition have to improve the position of women in order to achieve equality.
Doesn’t sound any different than the disparate impact philosophy here in the US. Your translation is bullshit.
Oh, feminists did that? Really? What the FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Try linking to actual articles. I’m not going on a youtube watching frenzy to help you prove your point for you.
That article says nothing like what you say. “No investigation, no proof”?
“Under the scheme, the police and magistrates can use a DVPO to protect a victim when they are at their most vulnerable in the immediate aftermath of an attack, by preventing the perpetrator from contacting the victim or returning to their home for up to 28 days. This helps victims who may otherwise have to flee their home and gives them the space and time to access the support they need and to consider their future options.”
“The DVPO scheme is based on a two-step process. Where the police have reasonable grounds for believing that a perpetrator has used or threatened violence towards the victim and the victim is at risk of future violent behaviour, they can issue a Domestic Violence Protection Notice on the spot to prevent the perpetrator from returning to the home, provided they have the authorisation of the Superintendent. The magistrates’ court must then hear the case for the Protection Order itself - which is the second step - within 48 hours of the Notice being made. If granted, the Order may last between a minimum of 14 days and a maximum of 28 days. This strikes a balance between immediate protection for the victim and judicial oversight.”
Well, you personally appear to have achieved the second part of your statement quite well.
Oh, and that UK article you linked?
HOLY SHIT THEY HAVE A SEPARATE LINE FOR MALE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
Terrific. Now if only I could stop everyone from spewing their idiotic bullshit, I’d be set.
I can’t keep track of every ridiculous thing that each individual poster has stated. If you’re one of those guys who can’t tell the difference between being coy and a solid no and/or you treat no as “I’m going to do whatever I want because sometimes women are evasive,” you’re part of the problem.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
This is pretty unambiguous as well.
I quoted this bit to my husband, and he said, ''Straight Dope or [Ridiculously Misogynistic Guy We Know]?" Trust me, homes, you do not want to be compared to that guy.
If ‘‘no’’ doesn’t ever mean ‘‘yes,’’ who the hell would want to play in those grey areas? In many cases it may not lead to rape, but it’s still sleazy as all hell. I can’t think of anything less sexy than having to convince someone to sleep with me. If you want me, great. If you don’t, I’m not going to waste my time.
I don’t even know what girl you are referring to, so I’m not accusing you of anything untoward, but it is important for people to understand that rape happens in relationships too. How long you were with a girl is not a very good barometer of whether or not you raped her. Boyfriends rape girlfriends, husbands rape wives. A lot of people don’t realize that so I just want to point it out.
The thing that bothers me so much about comments of this nature is that the commenters speak as if they really believe most guys are like that, and think like that. They aren’t, and don’t.
On the other hand, I do think the women in this thread are being overly harsh on certain posters. Ambivalid’s POV, that women should be aware of the dangers of inviting strange men into their home, is basically rational. The problem is that he doesn’t understand the Catch-22 women are put in with this situation.
We are taught from the moment we are born how to avoid the threat of unscrupulous men. We are told not to go out late at night, or not go to parks alone, or not to dress slutty or otherwise make an appealing target to kidnappers and rapists. We are taught to guard our drinks zealously lest we be drugged. We are taught to carry pepper spray and learn self-defense and we are lectured on college campuses. The women who do take this advice are raked over the coals by men who are so disgusted at their mistrustful attitudes. The women who ignore it are more likely to be assaulted, and are then of course blamed for it because they didn’t take the advice to mistrust men. And if you think carefully about the common link between all the messages directed at women, it’s basically either that it’s dangerous for women to be sexual beings (which just reinforces the idea that women secretly want to be talked into this shit), OR that all men are pigs who just can’t control themselves. Both are fucked up ways to view gender dynamics, and both are harmful to society.
And honestly? I have quite an affinity for a large number of men that I know and my instinct is not mistrustful. A few years back, I invited my male neighbor into my house (we were both married), because at the time I was spending a lot of time home alone and wanted a friend who lived nearby. And of course once he got inside he started hugging me and hitting on me and he really didn’t seem to care that he was making me uncomfortable. On top of that, he was about twice my size and I already had PTSD so I just froze because that’s what I had been conditioned to do. I was too afraid to say, ‘‘back off.’’ And when I posted about it on the Dope, a common response was ‘‘OMG don’t let strange men into your house!!!’’ That sounds like sound advice, but think about the implications. So… what, I shouldn’t ever be alone with male friends? Is it wrong that I want to be able to watch a damned movie with someone who has a penis and not have sex with him? Should I stop inviting guy friends over because they might be rapists? Should I assume every guy I ever meet wants to have sex with me and act accordingly?
What do you think society is trying to tell me about this situation? Because I sure as fuck don’t know. I feel like I’m damned if I do or damned if I don’t. And while it’s a different situation for MOL it’s basically the same concept. Because of the actions of this one asshole she now is expected to do all these things and understand all these things about ‘‘the way men are’’ but a lot of men aren’t pigs and don’t want to be classified as pigs and so people are going to pissed off at her no matter what.
And this is the thing that REALLY gets me… my own husband wouldn’t assume a ‘‘no’’ doesn’t mean, unequivocally, ‘‘no.’’ He never has to struggle to understand this deep and mysterious mind of woman, he actually knows, without me even saying anything, whether I am into something or not. Sometimes I get into this attitude of, ‘‘Well, I should do this even though I don’t want to, because I love him and want him to be happy’’ so I never say I’m uncomfortable, but he knows and will stop without me even asking. This leads me to believe it’s not that fucking hard to figure out whether a woman is turned on or not.
I am so fucking glad I’m married. The only bad experience like that I had before I met my husband was when I was 17, I went out with a much older man and told him I wasn’t ready to have sex yet, and he responded by putting my hand on his penis. I actually had another date with him because I believed him when he said he would knock that shit off, but he didn’t, so I stopped seeing him.
Yes, I am trusting to a fault. Whatever.
Can we move this thread to the pit yet, or does that only happen when people are yelling at a woman who doesn’t give up her seat in a movie theater?
olives, this was a great post. Thank you for writing it.
Yeah, but you gotta leave first because we can’t trust you to keep your pants on and your hands to yourself.
Here is the really fucked up thing - some women will put out with great reluctance so she won’t seem like a bitch or a tease, and then date the bastard because having a one night stand would make her seem like a slut. She isn’t saying no, but her yes is reluctant and she thinks your an asshole for pressuring her, and then having gone ahead and done it, she’s stuck with you for whatever her screwed up self respect period is.
This isn’t healthy, but it is common in younger women and women with a lot of sexual baggage and baggage about “being nice.”
Now, taking advantage of that is a dickish move. Isn’t it better not to pressure her, give her a little space, let her develop the emotional intimacy she needs to be comfortable, eventually get laid (or not), and twenty years later when you run into her be “hey, you were a pretty cool guy” not “oh, its that manipulative jerk I dated when I was young and stupid.” Delayed gratification, it works.
A separate pit thread is not going to be very satisfying if most of the people saying gross things in this thread are not going to set one foot in there. They’re going to stay right here safe and snug, posting deliberately inflammatory shit about how shrill bitches need to calm down, knowing that there is pretty much no MPSIMS-appropriate response one can make to their comments.
My recommendation would be to move this to the pit and merge it with the existing pit thread. Come on, we’re waaaaay past the tipping point here.
Great posting, Olives, per usual.
When people are posting deliberately inflammatory shit, that is pretty much the Platonic ideal of acting like a jerk, and they should be reported for it, I think. But this thread might need to spawn an ATMB thread as well. Hmmm…
I don’t want a “men’s rights” movement, I’d prefer to see equality. Sadly, some people seem to think that women have, for example, the right to draw weapons on men for simply being in possession of a penis. I mention that because I’m sure that’s the only thread where you could have got the opinion that I’m some sort of men’s rights activist.
To answer your question, no, I’m not offended by the suggestion that, in the specific circumstance of having been out drinking with a woman then invited into her apartment, many men will be thinking with their dicks. I think it’s probably true. If you remember from the previously referenced thread one of the points I made repeatedly is that date rape is a serious risk.
Spawn away, folks. I’m closing this – in lieu of going through it post by post and issuing warnings for jerkish behavior and personal insults.
twickster, MPSIMS moderator
On second thought, I’ll move it to the Pit, where people expect to act like jerks and insult each other.