Hail the US troops, change membername in YELLOW RIBBON. Or get banned.

To destabilize the country, to deter other Iraqis from aiding the occupying force, to deter other nations from sending in aid in the rebuilding efforts. How’s that for starters?

Why would they do that? So that the US’s attempts to install a functioning Iraqi government will fail. So that the Iraqi people will become increasingly enraged at the destruction of their country and join or at least aid the insurgency. So that the US will eventually be forced out when the cost in blood and money becomes too high for the American people to go on supporting a patently losing proposition.

That. at least, is what I see as the reasoning behind the murders of Iraqi police, the kidnappings and beheadings of foreign aid workers, the sabotage of energy facilities, and so on.

On preview: What Squink said.

Firstly Al is an asshole, plain and simple.

Secondly he shows a crude and low level intellect, and an emotional instability that makes him a prime target to be oh so much like the vast number of stupid chattel in the middle east that mindlessly swallow whatever fundamentalist bullshit quasi-governmental terrorist agencies spew out.

The ultimate goal of the United States is to establish a free and democratic Iraq. Any opposition to that goal, at this point, is purely a vote for anarchy, perhaps even a return to dictatorship, support for pain and suffering, short sighted, simpleminded, inappropriate, and ultimately against the interests of all human beings in the region.

Now, the position that removing Saddam Hussein wasn’t warranted is a rational one, I disagree with it, but I can accept it. The position that Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein is a position I strongly oppose, but I can see the logic behind it, I can see how you can make a conclusion that at least “makes sense” about a lot of things. I disagree strongly with it, though.

But those are just opinions, and just because they are different from mine doesn’t make them evil or even necessarily incorrect.

But at this juncture, if you oppose the U.S. occupation then all you are contributing to is Civil War, a collapse of civil government, and most likely mass murder on a horrifying scale in Iraq. Maybe you believe U.S. efforts are futile, that doesn’t justify trying to tear the country down and place it into anarchy. Iraqi’s cannot govern themselves right now, period. But they are making progress. But only through the sheer force of the U.S. military can any control be had over the country.

When we took over Nazi Germany some innocent Germans died, it was ultimately for the best, I feel we have the same situation here. Our occupation of the Confederacy after the Civil War was quite harsh, so must occupations be when you are trying to give order to chaos.

So eventhough there are valid reasons to opposing the Iraq war, at this exact juncture if you oppose U.S. efforts then your “opinion” is the opinion of a cruel and idiotic person, the type of person that should be killed and hunted down if they take any martial actions to reflect these opinions.

Furthermore the implication that the U.S. is occupying Iraq in a negative manner is crass bullshit. We aren’t there establishing a dictatorship to follow our will like the Nazis did in France. We may be pushing our world view but we at least have made it clear we ultimately will give the government back to the Iraqis of our own free will. After which time someday, many years from now, if you feel stupid enough or retarded enough you can probably return it to the barbaric Islamic Fundamentalist state or Arab nationalist state that you may want to see. But since Iraqis are not currently capable of running their own state, we are going to be the nannies. And ultimately all you can do about it is piss and moan and cry (or if you are feeling particularly stupid die by the tens of thousands just so you can kill a dozen or so Americans and feel like you’ve accomplished something because it made it on CNN) about trivialities like civilian casualties, and fail to recognize the horrible necessities that come when we have to correct the problems of correcting other countries collossal messes.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more racist post from a regular who wasn’t Ryan_Liam.

“It’s for your own good, stupid Ayrabs! Why are you so stupid as to not realize that and let us nanny your poor, primitive, brown asses into the perfect utopia of our version of democracy?”

Just to confuse the issue…

Who says “the insurgents” have any sort of unified policy? Clearly, they all pretty much don’t like us, but then, on the other hand, who does? I see the term bandied about pretty loosely: the insurgents want this, they want that, so on and so forth. Says who?

Yusta be, the Admin had it all nailed down, they were all Saddamite “dead enders”, struggling to bring Saddam back to power. That seems to have slipped away into the night, since nobody with two neurons to rub together can seriously imagine anyone having any sort of loyalty for Saddam. Presto, changeo, they’re now all foreign fighters and Al Queda terrorists or some such. Seeing as how the Bushiviks haven’t been right about anything else so far, why should we imagine they’re right about this?

For one thing, the suicide bomb is not the preferred method of the secular-type guy. And Saddam may be many things, but a religiously inspiring figure he is not. I think it fair to suggest that a man who is willing to blow himself into kibbles and bits expects a reward markedly different than a boost in parliamentary representation.

My point: not only do we not know what we are fighting for, we don’t even know who we are fighting! And since we don’t know that, we don’t know what they are fighting for.

We don’t know shit.

Fine, Zombies, you’re right. All them Arabs think exactly alike so it doesn’t matter at all where Alde is posting from and we should just shut up and accept him as the self-appointed voice of the Arab world. From the Sudan to Saudi to Dubai to Iraq, just one big undifferentiated groupthink. Gotcha. Thanks so much for showing me the truth, because I’m such a silly little gal and all.

And we’re not supposed to discuss if we’ve blocked anyone, remember?

I thought I saw you in that closed thread the OP started a couple of months ago, so if you can’t remember the perfectly reasonable explanations I gave there, I can’t help you.

Great, we’ve reached the point where people are trying to explain the actions Saddam and the sort of people who murdered Margaret Hassan. Bailout time.

It’s been real.

I didn’t say that “**All them Arabs think exactly alike **” - I’m saying that he has a right, as a member of this MB, to have as much privacy about his life as HE wishes to have. I don’t see where he claims to be " the self-appointed voice of the Arab world" - but he has a right to state his opinions, like every other member of this group, without being continually harrassed about personal information that he has refused, many times, to give you.

Who mentioned blocking anyone - I certainly didn’t?! I said ‘why bother to even read his posts?’ Please don’t misquote me.

Please cite a perfectly reasonable explanation from you. I have read dozens of your posts about Aldebaran, and I’ve yet to see you being ‘perfectly reasonable’ on this topic.

Me neither! I was trying to write a reply, but I was so sickened and angered by the blatent racism that I just couldn’t put my feelings into words.

Which, of course, never happened, and was complete bullshit, and for which there is pretty much zero evidence that there was ever a plot to assassinate Bush or that Iraq was involved.

Translation: “Look, just because all those things you stupid lefties said turned out right doesn’t mean I was wrong, even though I was. I still have a right to think I was right and dammit, I’m not giving that up!”

Translation: “But even though I’ve been wrong and you’ve been right, you better get on board now. Just because I thought I could firmly implant my wang in this hornet’s nest and actually do something other than get my wang stung (chung?) doesn’t relieve you of your responsibility to toe the line and support this foolish idea! Our wang is the only one with magical powers and it shall be the only wang that can solve this crisis now!”

Oohhh yes, the World War II reference. A history buff I see.
Well, let me tell you something in terms you’d understand. See, what you were dealing with in Germany were Übermenschen whereas what you’re dealing with today are Üntermenschen. The problem lies in their genes and manifests itself in that dark skin. So while your valiant and triumphant efforts saved the Aryans from tyranny, your efforts may not yield the same results on a specie which just doesn’t really measure up to your own.

Why how lovely!
I sincerely hope that the mod who was the inspiration for this thread is along shortly.

Trying to compare the woman I loved as if she was my mother with a DOG, are you?

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261697&highlight=Beloved

I called her MY BELOVED. Like I called her always. Everywhere. To everyone I ever talked to about her.
Learn to read what I write.
I even say in that very thread that she came from IRAQ.

You obsessed witch. Obsessed nutcase. Not enough information to satisfy your sick obsessed curiosity about me?

Well FUCK YOU! My life is not your fucking business. My privacy is not your fucking business. Get of me with your sick fucking obsession. Get yourself laid to calm your fucking hysteria! You fucking maniac.

There you have it, all spelled out to you in a language you understand, lowering my standards to your fucking low fucking sick level in order to be finally understood.
Get it now?

Dream further. I’ve seen it all here. Much more then I refer to in my OP.

Look here.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=235416&highlight=Aldebaran+jerk

I can’t question the way the US heros are gloryfied while all the Iraqi deaths are not even mentioned.
The Administrator comes along quickly to call me a “jerk”.

I asked her in a follow up what she meant by that remark.
Of course no reply.

What I meant was: why are they “deserving respect” while all the dead Iraqis are not deemed to deserve respect.

I think I’m going to propose an addition to the “Terms of agreement”:


For those who are Arab-Muslim-Middle Eastern and dare to subscribe as guest or member to the SDMB:

Do not think you are considered as equal to all other members or guests, by the Administraton of this board especially.

By subscribing you accept to be an open target for Administrators and Moderators to make of their Moderator remarks on your posts showcases of practicing double standards and demonstration of fervent patriotism.

By subscribing you accept that other members and guests do not have to apply the same standards as is expected from you to apply on them or their sensitivities, patriotism or whatever you can think of.
You need to accept that the standards by which Administrators and Moderators operate differ if you

Weird.
Asking why a certain class of people deserve respect isn’t jerkish.
Suggesting that US troops, or any troops for that matter, don’t deserve respect isn’t jerkish.

And it does seem to be a double standard… if an American said “I don’t respect or agree with what the troops are doing, and I think they should disobey orders because this war is wrong.”

Would they be called a jerk by an admin?

:confused:

Dream further. I’ve seen it all here. Much more then I refer to in my OP.

Look here.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=235416&highlight=Aldebaran+jerk

I can’t question the way the US heros are gloryfied while all the Iraqi deaths are not even mentioned.
The Administrator comes along quickly to call me a “jerk”.

I asked her in a follow up what she meant by that remark.
Of course no reply.

What I meant was: why are they “deserving respect” while all the dead Iraqis are not deemed to deserve respect.

I think I’m going to propose an addition to the “Terms of agreement”:


For those who are Arab-Muslim-Middle Eastern and dare to subscribe as guest or member to the SDMB:

Do not think you are considered as equal to all other members or guests, by the Administration of this board especially.

By subscribing you accept to be an open target for Administrators and Moderators to make of their Moderator remarks on your posts showcases of practicing double standards and demonstration of fervent patriotism.

By subscribing you accept that other members and guests do not have to apply the same standards as is expected from you to apply on them or their sensitivities, patriotism or whatever you can think of.
You need to accept that the standards by which Administrators and Moderators operate differ. You are not “one of us”. You are “the enemy” by definition of your origin, religion, culture, and all that comes to it, which is in such clear opposition to our Western or Western orientated state of being.


I think that would make quite a few things very clear. Nobody could ever discuss this common-sense rules.

If this board would be what it says it is inteneded to be, instead of censuring me they should give me the title Honorary Life Member, SDMB Doctor Honoris Causa.
As gratitude for my non-stop efforts to provide members and staff with free classes and additional insights in and about

Islam
Islamic culture
The Middle East, its culture, mentality, situations

and providing the members and staf with a miror to look into with my repeated attempts to get them understand what I talk about.
Kicking them not only an insight in what they have no idea off, but also kicking them a heart and a conscious and a perspective.

But none of this shall ever be considered.
I am quite sure I shall get banned the next given occasion one of the Administrators or Moderators gets an attack of Fervent Patriotism.

“Fighting Ignorance” here is only a “fight” when the contributors are all more or less considered as belonging to the same camp, no matter their differences of opinion and/or politics.

Note: The loss shall not be mine, although I can already hear the cheering if under my member name appears the long sought and coveted BANNED.
Blinded Fools can not be teached to reason.

Salaam. A

I know this is totally beside the point, but maybe you’re interested in improving your English?

Choose and teach are both iregular words, that is, the past tense of choose is not choosed, but chose. Likewise, the past tense of teach is not teached, but taught.

These are those funny little quirks that linguists look at when determining how languages work, because someone who’s not a native speaker doesn’t get this stuff intuitively.

That line of argument didn’t work for Socrates before the Assembly, it’s unlikely to work with Ed Zotti :wink:

Have some tea, take the day off, enjoy not having to run into Mehitabel trying to your buttons, during that time. You already know nobody is going to come online with an official proclamation thay you are right and they are wrong; vehemently denouncing it isn’t going to accomplish anything but raising your blood pressure.

But if you ALL, and that includes Aldebaran, his supporters and his detractors feel more satisfied having a vigorous, loud, flamingly glorious “fight to the death” … meh, so, enjoy it.

I’m a linguist, but not in Western languages :slight_smile:

I never even had one class of English. I just “go as it feels” often translating my thoughts in an other languages directly into this one.
Furthjermore I have this precious birthgift called “dyslexia”. Brother Dyslex tends to bother me quite often when I use a language written in the Roman (or do you say Latin) alphabet (less when I use other characters which is strange and nobody ever came up with an explanation for this. I have a few theories on that).

This is also something people so very much like to overlook. How many times they start nitpicking on words I choose… Even in this thread there were comments on the wordings of my post “that should have been written otherwise” and then “Gaudere would not have posted what she did”.

I would so much like to see them write and engage into discussions “life” - and in written form - in a language they have in fact no clue about. In my view that would be a quite amusing experiment to set up on the SDMB. See who wins. They, or me.
I take a bet on myself though :slight_smile:

Salaam. A

Aldebaran has posted eight times in this thread. A few others, duffer, treis and CarnalK, have made, like, a dozen posts each. You’ve made forty three.

Take a chill pill.

Aldebaran has posted eight times in this thread. A few others, duffer, treis and CarnalK, have made, like, a dozen posts each. You’ve made forty three.

Take a chill pill.

Me too. I’m also dysgraphic. Makes posting on the Dope intersting something, I tell ya.

Well, I don’t think those are attacks on you (not that you suggested it) and they might very well be correct. Nuance and semantics can often play a very large role, and judging by this thread, making the tacit explict can cross the line in some people’s minds.

It may not be fair, but there is a valuable pragmatic lesson to be taken from this. If you can tone down what you say, and yes, essentially obfuscate your true feelings, the admins probably wouldn’t have (as) much of a problem with you. Whether or not it’s worth it to you to speak ‘diplomaticaly’, well, that’s up to you of course.

I think it’s important not to make it into an Us vs. Them sorta situation. Of course most of us wouldn’t do as well in a second language, but that still doesn’t mean you can’t refine your own use and understanding of English.

I will post where, when, and how I like.
If it bothers you, hit the little ‘report post’ button.
Otherwise keep it to yourself.