Iraqis who fight the invaders should be hunted down and killed. Their family or friends who go to Iraq to help them fight the invaders should be hunted down and killed.
Why no moderator warning for wishing death on people? Why no warning for very clearly advocating violence against people?
Because Iraqis, their families and/or friends have no right at all to have any want or any wish to fight the US heros killing them and their countrymen, family and/or friends? Iraqis have have no right to fight the invaders of their own nation inside their very own nation?
Death on all those who fight the US Heros = Free pass by the moderators = completely normal posting on this message board.
We are back where this thread started, aren’t we.
Can you post on the ATMB the addition to the Terms of Agreement as I proposed in this thread please.
I shall then finally and without any possible discussion and very clearly outlined by the administration of this message board see where I stand.
My money (how futile the contribution is, it is money and not less then the others give) is accepted but I can not expect the same as all the other members.
Selective reading and selective “warnings” making me a “jerk” when I question the devotion to US soldiers demonstrated on this board and "warning " me if I dare to write a line that - with forcibly use of a whole lot of imagination - very remotely can be perceived as a “threat” to US heros in Iraq in my thoughts.
Why don’t you just make it clear. Don’t play hide and seek. Don’t you think it is not clear enough as it is?
Salaam. A
If this was some resistance to bring power to people or whatnot, sure, it is a morally justifiable restistance. But since we are talking about Islamist asshats that will gladly have a go at a crowds of Iraqi civilians when Americans aren’t present, we aren’t dealing with a morally justifiable resistance. Just terrorists.
The whole issue there is that those who have goals that have nothing to do with the wishes of the Iraqi people to liberate themselves of foreign occupyers, are being used by our lying government slavely followed by your lying media to paint as it “all who fight our Heros are Terrorists by definition”.
It is a very useful tool for your lying goverment that these terorists are there.
If they would not be there, then how would they defend their ongoing occupation?
Let me tell you an other thing:
Even if they aren’t there anymore - and give me the figures again of how many “terrorists” were “captured” in for example the masssacre named “Fallujah” - they will be created to let the US population believe they are there “obstructing all this good will of the nice US Heros”.
Let me tell you an other thing.
The USA has no intention whatsoever to ever leave Iraq without having their a significant US military presence.
They are still very much oocupied in construction of military bases (and don’t let me get started about WHERE and HOW. The clumsy arrogant stupid cowboys disturbed the very crib of civilisation!) for them to stay there, in order to secure their geo-strategical (and read here: economical, floating on political) positions.
Hence NO Iraqi government that wants them out of their country stands any chance to even be able to be elected.
Do you realize that, blindfolded Bush worshipper? Or what does it take for you to finally wake up and welcome reality.
Do you think Iraqis are as stupid as you are?
Well, obviously you think just that.
The situation “on the ground” there is however quite different.
Salaam. A
Al, for your premise to hold any water, one would have to believe that our gummint would lie to us. When you look at it that way, you can see how silly it all is, now can’t you?
By the way: I did not talk about “our” goverment… dyslex getting in the way again.
Although some ME governments, the Saudis ahead, follow slavely the suggestions of the USA, with occasionally some “hard words” to show their “independence”.
As every informed citizen knows.
A considerable part of ME press is a marvel of clownesque balancing, done by very untalented clowns at that.
I’m pretty relieved by Gaudere’s post (#252 in this thread). It was useful clarification.
Aldebaran, I suggest you read that post a few times. Maybe you’ll still see your warning as out of line, but I think you should see it as an invitation to post as if there were no assholes on this Board. “Other people post nasty stuff” is not a good excuse. Report objectional posts and stay clean.
The whole issue of this thread is about what the administrators and moderators of this board, consider as their measurements and conditions for me to “stay clean” as you call it.
In comparison to what they consider as their measurements and conditions for the other members.
If they post it on the “Terms of agreement” as the clause I proposed in this thread, it shall be clear for everyone.
If they don’t post anything there as warning that they indeed make a difference, which they very clearly do in practice (open the link to the “warning” posted by Lynn Bodini for an other example) then they have no reason at all to make any difference but by defending it as using double standards and claiming the right to have and use them.
Well that was 40mins of reading a 7 page post that I will never get back!!
I wonder AL do you still believe in what your first post suggested? That you have to love the US or get banned? You have spent months, years, on this board doing everything from trash talking the President all the way down to trash talking American citizens, and this board has let you.
I have read some pretty hatefull posts of yours, but the mod’s let em stay.
You can hate american policies, it’s armies, it’s president all you want. Hell, you wont be the first to do so! But saying you personally want to pick up a gun and kill american soliders? You know thats a line you cant cross here. It is almost the same as saying you want to kill the president. Some things you just have to be carefull how you say them.
So be mad that you got a warning, but at least be honest with yourself. You crossed a line, you know you did. Admit it, move on. You seem to intelligent not to “get” this.
Well I guess Martin Hyde and Brutus cleared this all up. It’s OK to say we should hunt down and exterminate military resistance to the US but not OK to say you might want to join said resistance.
Really?
You have one weird way of reading posts made on this board.
So everyone can say they want to go to Iraq, implying they are ready to kill Iraqis (or what else is a US soldier posting here that he is there or is ready to go there, going to do there if he is ordered to shoot at Iraqis? Say: No, I don’t kill them?)
Everyone can advocate invading sovereign natons in the Middle East, implying the killings of people living there (including me and my family, friends etc…)
Everyone can call for “nuking” the Middle East, ipmplying “nuking” ME
but I can’t say that reading such posts makes me so disgusted that… (read what I posted here, not what you like to make of it)
Because
Oh
God
I say something against US Heros.
That is the same as wanting to kill the US President (the mass murderer who did not only “want” to kill the president of a sovereign nation, is it?)
Right.
I crossed no line at all. I said nothing at all what is not tolerated to be posted by any other member to post about me, Muslims, Iraqis, my region (= including me, incluging muslims, including Iraqis).
Well, I see your reasoning quite clear, and it is exactly this sort of reasoning I question in this thread:
I am not Made in the USA
I am not a US Hero Soldier
Iraqis are not US Hero Soldiers.
Other members are not me.
Well, if said resistance is fighting on behalf of al-Queda and/or Saddam Hussein’s regime, then I agree it is not OK.
I might take the protests of those so deeply committed to human rights in the Middle East a tiny bit more seriously if they condemned the abuses of the former regime in Iraq in the same terms they condemn the invasion that overthrew it. But I don’t see that very much.
The problem with Aldebaran’s posts is the same as it has generally been. If any proportion of those in the Middle East are as big a bunch of screaming hysterics as he is, no wonder you folks kill each other so much. And also no wonder that true democracies in the region are few and far between.
Here’s hoping for another meltdown-followed-by-banning in the New Year.
Listen numbnuts ** Guadere ** clarified the rules:
Aldebaran could have said he wanted to go join the resistance, go fight the occupation or something to that effect. What you cannot do in any circumstances is directly say that you want to go and shoot a board member.
Mark Twain, in The War Prayer did pretty well at illustrating what support for your troops really means:
"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle – be Thou near them! With them – in spirit – we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it – for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen. "
When either side supports it troops it is expressing an absolute desire for death and destruction for the other side. It does seems unfair for someone to be warned for expressing the same desire that others have espoused.
Since this thread is a trainwreck anyway I might as well godwinize it; if you can’t see the difference between fighting for the Nazis and fighting against them then I suggest you recalibrate moral compass. This isn’t to compare the “resistance” to Nazis, but rather to point out that your “two sides of the same coin” analogy isn’t valid.
And the fact that Aldebaran (as well as some others) are still unbanned proves his OP wrong; he owes Gaudere an apology. It won’t come.
That’s kind of beside the point. We are not talking about your hated liberal hand-wringers. We are talking about advocating violent miltiary action by one side or the other.