My POV on this is that demand fuels supply. As soon as the demand dries up, so does the supply. If enough Americans are determined to put a stop to illegal immigration then why aren’t the US politicians doing something effective to remove the demand by sanctioning the people that give them jobs.
The illegals are being made into scapegoats for a screwed up US policy. You can bet Big Business is lobbying to maintain the staus quo. They don’t want to have to pay the huge increase in labor costs that they would suffer.
I have never said anyone had a right to enter the country. But as long as the demand is there poor people will continue to cross the border to fill it. Mexico has been asking for immigration reform for a number of years. What is in it for Mexico for these workers to remain illegal? In the meantime what is wrong in fighting for basic human rights for the undocumented workers? Because they are in the US illegally does that mean they are fair game for abuse and exploitation?
I actually mostly agree with what you said about Big Business, Many (by no means all) Big Business concerns do appear to have an interest in keeping the border porous. We should crack down on this policy if we a serious about it. Meanwhile your own government does appear to like the status quo most of the time.
Where do you get your information from? Can any people posting here say they have ever read a reform proposal by the Mexican government?
Here’s a recent article on a proposal the Mexican Chamber of Deputies has wanted to put on the table with their countrparts in the US for the past year. I’m not interested in debating the points. I offer it to show interest by the Mexican governmnet to seek a solution to the problem.
I completely agree, we should be taking the business owners to task for hiring illegals. Absolutely.
But in this day and age of Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda making it known that a porous US-Mexico border makes it really easy to insert terrorists and their equipment and supplies into the US, don’t we still need to make sure no one enters our country without us approving each and every case?
I might be OK with an open & porous border with Canada, but Mexico can’t be trusted to have any idea, or even care, who’s freely moving through it, and then into the US.
True. (Finally.) But oversupply effects the market, as well. In this case, driving down wages and creating a false sense of the true costs of doing business.
The employers have gotten a free ride, but that is changing. And the illegals are guilty in their own right. Whether another group is prosecuted or not in no way mitigates their guilt.
If they do, they continue to wilfully break the law. If they are then caught, they deserve to feel the full brunt of it.
Why do you think that a country’s immigration policy should be dictated by another country?
They have basic human rights. Which ones do you think they are lacking?
I am truly sorry my 3 years of Spanish in HS are not up to translating your article.
I am too far removed from it.
Can you translate?
I remember in the past protest from the both sides of the border when proposals were made to tighten the border.
Perhaps there is a change in policy, if so I would welcome it.
BTW: I use to live in San Ysidro, with a lovely view of High 5, 1/2 mile from the border.
I unfortunately witnessed a crosser get wiped out by a truck, it was horrific.
I also witnessed luckier/smarter crossers you a small creek bed to go under the highway and sneak past the Border patrol car that seemed to almost always be at the Yum Yum Donuts.
Why do you think that a country’s immigration policy should be dictated by another country?
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You’re showing your stupidity again. Treaties, agreements etc are usually negotiated between two countries. No one said anything about Mexico dictating policy. They make proposals, the US makes counter proposals. It’s called negotiating. If you weren’t so fucking stupid you’d recognize the benefit of bilateral negotiations.
Read the rest of the article. Saying we don’t know exactly how many terrorists have crossed into the States is sorta like saying we don’t know exactly how many illegals have crossed into the States via Mexico… oh, wait. We don’t have any idea.
From [Q&A: Admiral Timothy Keating; Commander NORAD and Northcom](Q&A: Admiral Timothy Keating; Commander NORAD and Northcom)
December 11, 2005 The border with Mexico is part of your area of operations. Is there a terrorist component to your menu of issues on the border?
The nexus of terrorism and illegal immigration is a concern. That said, we are unaware, totally, zero, as to knowledge of terrorists using that avenue to infiltrate the United States of America. We’re just as concerned about the Canadian border. So it’s a two-front issue for us. We work as closely as we can imagine with all manner of domestic, local, state, national law enforcement agencies to maintain full situational awareness. We couple that with overseas intelligence apparatus and agencies so as to formulate as comprehensive a picture as we can of the movement of terrorists throughout the world.
Is terrorist movement across the Mexican border a potential threat?
It’s a potential threat but we see no manifestation of the threat into reality. That is to say, we’re unaware of any terrorists who are using that method of getting into the United States. We have no indication, zero indication, that the terrorists have used that as a method of entry into the United States.
So for the remainder of this discussion, let it be known that internet references are no longer allowed. Rather, the entire discussion must be based on what CB tells us is the truth.
Woo hoo! Can I have some of what you’re drinking, CB?
“The ad identifies a real problem – scores of persons from Middle Eastern countries are caught each year trying to slip across the southern border, and many more doubtlessly go uncaught. But statistics show twice as many come across the Canadian border. And so far we have little or no evidence that any of them are terrorists.”
Give me a drum roll now please.
Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.
Ooh, have another drink there. We get you drunk enough, you’ll pass out and stop posting for awhile.
It only costs $4 billion??? Damn! Let’s build the sucker already! Illegals are sending $16 billion/year back to Mexico, and illegals cost California alone $10 billion/year in free medical, education & incarceration. A fence is totally affordable and we won’t have to put up with rock-throwers!
Just remember, there are lots of illegals here and believe it or not, some of them are friends of mine. So this catapult of yours better be very selective, 'cause I’m running down the hill, grabbing a busboy and making him a human shield.
Oh, and it’s Monterey with one “r.” Adjust your targeting system accordingly.