I said I could see how people were seeing that I was over the top at times. I did not say anything remotely like “No I’m not.”
I can type just fine thank you…
I am done with this, I am not going to get sucked into your petty little arguments. You brought my name up, I asked that you wouldn’t, you said I was thinking it was all about me, I said no, it’s not about that you continue to be an ass. You look more the ass day-by-day. I am not the problem it’s your defensive nature that makes your arguments look like a temper tantrum using what you can scrape up to look like the big guy on the block.
Done. Say anymore, eh I don’t care. But I will say this:
You are one hell of a little man when you called Diane a cunt, that is so low I think your ass should be banned but that’s me. Not to mention your cutting words to Anthacrite.
Hastur, check with your therapist and try to work through your anger. Your problem is you take your anger and turn it to others to make them look like the problem is with them when you are the problem because of some unseen issues you have and you have done this for as long as I can remember. I have worked through mine so I know it’s possible; it might just do you a world of good to work through that pain and anger you have festering inside you as it will do nasty things to your health not to mention your interactions with people but your health is most important.
Done, see ya 'round the boards.
Tech, get a life. Now you’re trying to stand up for others?
PLEASE.
And you are counseling ME about anger issues? My god, what a hypocrite you are. Take your own inventory and stop trying to take mine.
Weren’t you the one who in trying to slam me via e-mail that your life was so much better than mine because of your rich daddy? Console yourself with that and leave me the fuck alone, you attention starved harpy.
My apologies. What you said was:
Since this thread has been (at least in part) about the december thing, and since some people seemed to think that you were (in a matter of speaking) “over the top” about it, and since you wrote “I don’t think so”… Well, you fill in the blanks. If everyone who felt you went too far with the december thing now agrees that you really didn’t, fine.
Not only her, but about a dozen other people, too.
Maybe you should try listening to them, instead of immediately dismissing them. Talk about picking and choosing what to reply to… you paid, what, a sentence or two to the people who actually brought up cogent points, yet you dedicate several posts to flinging your vitriol at a person with whom you’ve had a long-standing and petty grudge?
We’re cool on these issues, Hastur, thank you for your response.
But if you and techchick68 don’t stop fighting, I swear I’ll turn this car around and take you both back to Winnipeg! No Disney World after all!
Winnipeg? NO! NOT THAT!!!
I don’t even think Hell gets that cold. I haven’t been there since 1997… I’ll just stay here in Oregon, thanks.
First, you must conqueor that temper, Nelburger. Besides, I’m a little tied up-Brain Guy and I have to clean up where Bobo spray-painted “All Your Base Are Belong to Us” all over the castle. With his own feces, no less.
Actually, as it remained ONLY an assertion, I found that remark that gay students were getting preferential treatment a slur.
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Aha!! Here’s the problem. Under the constitutuional jurisprudence of this country, it is not a slur to say that, in the high school environment, “Gay Pride” t-shirts would be acceptable, but “Straight Pride” t-shirts would be banned.
I’m not going to turn this into a scholarly debate on freedom of expression, in loco parentis and the schools, but suffice it to say that “Gay Pride” t-shirts could very well be looked on as an acceptable statement of minority self-assertion, but the “Straight Pride” t-shirt as an unacceptable statement of bigotry.
Is this “preferential treatment”? I don’t think so - as I explained in the original thread, the connotations of the two phrases is vastly different. Even if it were, however, there is nothing wrong with that - in certain circumstances, minorities in this country do get preferential treatment, to make up in small part for the crap heaped on them in the rest of life. The most obvious example is affirmative action.
So, were there “Gay Pride” t-shirts at this school? We have no idea, but it is irrelevant. It was not homophobia that led december to believe there were - under the laws of this country it could easily happen.
Let me analogize to some t-shirts I know existed. In the mid-80’s, “It’s a Black thing, You wouldn’t Understand” t-shirts were extremely popular among black students. Totally acceptable, permissible, etc.
Imagine if a kid showed up wearing a t-shirt that read “It’s a White thing, You wouldn’t Understand”. The kid would have been suspended on sight.
Hastur, to my mind, simply asserting that gay students get preferential treatment in some way is by no means a slur. I say that, in certain more enlightened schools, they probably do. And that is a good thing - the pressure, the guilt, the danger of the outside world puts these kids at greater risk, and if the school is stepping forward in some way, either by giving them safe haven through the “Safe Zone” program, or by allowing them to recapture some self-esteem with “Gay Pride” t-shirts, excellent.
A bit rambly, but I hope you get my point.
Sua
This attitude is completely lost on me. I thought minority groups were campaigning for equal rights, not unequal rights. If a black person (or a gay person, or any other minority person) can wear a t-shirt saying something like the above, then why can’t a member of the majority wear something similar?
In fact, I’m wishing now that I was back in high school. I’d have gotten a couple of my black friends to wear t-shirts saying “It’s a White thing, you wouldn’t understand” on the same day I and a couple of white friends wore the “Black thing” t-shirts. THAT would’ve turned some heads, I bet.
To quote that brilliant scholar, myself, from the thread that started all this:
Sua
No? Do you think I am the only one on this board who thinks you are an overreacting, self proclaimed martyr who fires off hateful insults at the drop of a hat? JEEEZUZ Hastur, are you that blind and stupid or just lack reading comprehension not to see all these other posters saying the same thing?
Oh bullshit! Would you like me to post your attempt to talk to me via e-mail? Who the hell you trying to fool? It is shit like this that makes you loose credibility and confirms my opinion that you are nailing yourself to the cross. Give it up.
Here is your original e-mail to me. Attempt to talk my ass, you were just bring your bullshit off the board and into my mailbox. I’m still trying to get the smell out.
No, I am afraid it does wash. What I said was 100 percent true, even the person who made the comment towards me a big enough person to come back and say that he was wrong.
And spare with me your “insults too hot” bit. :rolleyes: I experience much worse, each and every day in my job as a counselor. I don’t read the hatefilled rantings of a mentally unbalanced person, I have them screamed in my face. So sorry sweetie, you are cotton candy. If I want to hear juvenile potty vulgarities I’ll just walk down the hall at the local junior high.
And the hissy-fit throwing Hastur again provides us with more examples of blaring hypocrisy.
Should I remind you of your temper tantrum when I mentioned the infamous magic thread in an attempt to make a point here in this thread? How was your whining about that any different than Techchick’s ire that you brought her into a thread that she wasn’t even involved in?
Now, as it was pointed out to me, I should give you a chance to bow out of this argument gracefully and without feeling emasculated. We can stop right now, both of us, or you can fire back and keep this thing going until you self-implode. ‘sup to you.
I find that “It’s a Black thing…” tee-shirt extremely offensive (because my skin color’s different, I can’t empathize/understand? Bullshit.) and there was a response tee-shirt, equally offensive (but was funnier, in a guilty/ashamed way) that I saw for sale (and never bought) that showed a picture of Einstein, with the logo “E=MC[sup]2[/sup]” and it had the phrase “It’s a White thing. You wouldn’t Understand.”
Both shirts are offensive as hell and I firmly believe that this sort of double standard especially in High Schools (where kids are hypersensitive to that sort of preferential treatment) will lead to a nasty backlash. What needs to be done is rigorously enforce equal treatment for everyone, not give special prividges to some in an effort to make them equal. Don’t let any kid be bullied or harrassed because of color/creed/religion/sexual identity.
Fenris
That’s my point exactly. Some would say it’s a utopian dream, but all it requires is applying the same rules to everyone.
A few years ago, Charles Barkley was explaining why he acted so boorishly (on one of many occasions). He said, in part, “It’s a ghetto thing.” This made me laugh, because I know the area (Leeds, Alabama) in which Charles was raised. His family wasn’t rich, by any stretch of the imagination, but they didn’t live in a ghetto.
HASTUR says:
It amazes me that a person who is so sensitive to issues of slurs and sexuality cannot see how calling someone a “homophobe” might derail debate. This may surprise you, but there are straight people (and a lot of them) who take it as a deep insult – just as they do being called a racist. Just because it doesn’t derail debate for you doesn’t mean that you should not realize that it derails debate for others by deeply offending them. And I find it ironic and alarming that your attitude remains that you may paste that word on whomever you choose and that magnanimously “give them a chance to prove that they are not.” If you are going to insult someone by hanging a scarlet “H” around their neck, it is up to you to prove the justice of that, not up to them to prove that you are wrong.
The next time you complain (rightly or wrongly) about the injustice of being marginalized in society, I hope someone reminds you that you once lost your mind so far as to post this. Life ought may not be fair, but it damn well ought to be as fair as we can make it.
But how can she climb up there if you refuse to climb down?
I’m also idly wondering why you would selectively choose not to reply to my posts. I hope it indicates you are giving them some thought?
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Which is why I had my own shirts made up saying: “Its a Scottish thing laddie! Yea would nea unnerstand!”
That messed with people’s heads.
Hoot mon.
I did explain why. I have explained why a few times already.
Jodi? I didn’t lose my FUCKING mind. That is what I believe. You want me to get off my high horse. Fine. Get off your own as well. Some of us don’t need the false security of “fair.”
Spare me, Jodi. Just fucking spare me.
I never climbed up.
Selective response? I don’t think so. What you asked was asked by others and was answered already. Thus, I did not feel the need for a personal response. In fact, I question the point of responding to this post of yours, as I feel it adds nothing but a bitchy group of remarks. The techchik appreciation thread is in another forum… go there to salve her ego. Or would that not be FAIR? :rolleyes:
And I am not the only one who thinks you go from human to vicious bitch in less than 10 seconds. Perspective is everything. So stop flinging around the slurs and acting as if I am blind when I have owned up to what people have said, you bullying cow.
You’re trying to get the smell out from all the bullshit that drips from your fingers. I already posted the entire exchange in a BBQ Pit thread weeks ago. Or did your rage filled mind which takes delight at harassing others forget that already? Post all of the information, Bile Queen, or nothing at all. You are being deceptive and attempting to skew opinion by only giving PART of the information.
Diane… you are the unbalanced one. No one can take issue with you without being called a whiner and subjected to a barage of infantile putdowns. You came at me in the Bully thread of Guin’s, and continued to do so in whatever thread you thought would give you ample opportunity. You are pathetic.
Good seller at the Celtic Festival in Monterey a couple of years ago was a t-shirt with a little Scottish terrier wearing a bonnet and the caption was “Yo quiero haggis.”