Help save my sister's life?

I’m sorry if this is the wrong board, and I’m sorry to start out here like this but I’ve been paying attention to these boards for awhile and I really respect a lot of your opinions.

I’m not sure how to best say all this, so I’m sorry if it comes across as scattered and nonsensical. My sister, who I used to look up to, is in a (not-really) relationship with a 23 year-old, sexually confused*, drug-addicted abusive jerk. ZERO positive qualities, I assure you.

I remember the first night we met him, we were in a restaurant winding down after last call. There was a group of us that had met earlier at the bar, so we were sharing french fries and having a get-to-know-you group conversation.

The first thing that struck me as odd about him was that he spoke eagerly and openly about his drug use and sexual history (he said he had slept with an impressive ninety-two women… though that number had changed several more times over the next few days), but when it came to talking religion and politics he became visibly agitated and closed-off, saying that it was inappropriate discussion for meeting for the first time.

After having heard him describe, in rather gross detail, how he had done an “urban pinup” (sex against the wall) earlier in the week with some girl he barely knew, hearing that he thought it socially rude to be asked whether he was democrat or republican made me laugh uncontrollably. I can’t believe no one else found this odd.

Anyway, I began to notice more negatives - repeated backtracking, lying, (badly veiled) manipulation, temper tantrums, and control issues - all of which, my sister pathologically ignored. Whenever I would bring something new to her attention, she would grow angry, turn it around on me, and make some type of excuse for his behavior.

I didn’t get it she allowed it to continue, I still don’t. They were in this weird not-really relationship, where he would demand attention, time, exclusivity and loyalty from her, but still see other people(males and females) on the side. She rationalized that it was “okay for their relationship, because she was just having fun and not interested in being serious”.

He become emotionally abusive, too, and began physically lashing out. He would kick things, throw things, slam doors, hit walls, and even himself. I had little tolerance for it, so I called attention to it before too long. This is where he described that it “was of no fault of his”, because of his “Bipolar”. I asked when he had been diagnosed, and by whom, and he revealed that it had been in his teen years, by a family doctor. I’m not going to pretend I understand this disease as good as any person should, or how it’s properly diagnosed, but… it seems wrong to me that a Family Doctor, someone who prescribes medicines when you come in with an infection, would have any right to diagnose a teenage boy with a personality disorder (is it a personality disorder?) because his mother came in complaining about his “violent mood swings”. I told him I thought it was bullshit, and he argued about that for awhile before finally pacifying me and agreeing that he didn’t have bipolar disorder after all.

His aggression increased even more, if you can believe. He would become angry whenever he would walk in and hear my sister and I speaking in another language because he couldn’t understand what we were saying and break up with her because of it. It got to the point where we couldn’t talk to each other if he wasn’t standing there to monitor the conversation. If he thought he noticed a whisper, a word he didn’t understand or a shared look or facial expression he would fly off the handle, scream and break up with her and leave, causing her to call his phone all night begging him to come back home. There were many times he would be driving us around in the car (he was the only one alloed to drive…) and he’d become angry if we talked about books or music he didn’t wasn’t familar with or couldn’t understand, and would often stop the car on busy roads and jump out of the driver’s seat and sprint away. She’d have to climb over the seat and drive after him, crying out the window and begging him to get back in the car. He even began running through the house and jumping the back fence to run away whenever he got angry… over something he didn’t understand, over something he didn’t agree with or initiate. He would just… jump to his feet and run, knocking things in the way over and throwing his body over the fence like a criminal running from the cops. He even did it once with no shoes or shirt.

During those nights he would throw a fit and break up with her so he could go and have sex with someone else, or just punish her for no good reason, she would confide in me pretty shocking things. I learned that he had had sex with her while she was passed out (She rationalized that as “something that happens when you’re in a real relationship” when I told her it sounded a lot like rape), that he wouldn’t look at her during sex, that he would “freak out” and jump out of bed if she made the first move and berate her for being a whore, that he had some perverse obsession with seeing her (and other people) messed up on drugs, and that couldn’t even bring himself to the point of sex without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol himself. There are other things, far more messed-up things, but I think this should paint a good enough picture of what he is like.

He physically attacked me one night, after I had witnessed him strip naked and allow himself to be fondled in a gay club. My sister saw it happen, but maintains to this day that she was drunk and doesn’t remember. When I confronted her about it later that night, all she had to say was “well, you have a way of upsetting people” and “and it’s not like you’re dead, so get over it”. I knew at that point, a point I never thought I would get to… my own sister letting a man physically harm me… that I had to leave. She chose him over me, her little sister, her only family.

So I packed my things and bought a plane ticket. Of course, on my last day there, he picked a fight with her and broke off their relationship (yet again). The last thing she said to me in person, through her own tears was, “I don’t know if I’m sad because he just broke up with me, or because you’re leaving. How fucked-up is that.” He can’t handle something being about someone other than him, he has to always have total control over her mental and emotional state. He often did that, it was sickening. Even if we were all doing something lame like watching a movie, and something sad in the movie happened and caused my sister to cry, he would have to trump that by telling her some story of something horrible that happened to him.

I’ve been gone for about a year or more now, and every time she calls me it’s the same shitty story. He stole money from her again, he cheated on her again, he drugged her and let his friends have sex with her again, he put their sex tapes on the internet again, he beat her unconscious again, he fractured something of hers again, he broke her tooth again, he wrecked another car.

It’s been a whirlwind of drug use, physical and sexual abuse, them getting kicked out of their apartments, them being arrested, and her crying about it to me. I don’t think she understands that it affects my life negatively, which… is insane to me. I have panic attacks far too often for someone with no real problems of my own.

Whenever she complains about something horrible he’s done yet again, and I butt in and say something negative about him, she turns cold and attacks me, saying I’m judgmental and relentless and miserable, and defends him by saying that “he was molested” (something he made up after watching Christian on Nip/Tuck admit that he was molested) or that all of his ex-girlfriends cheated on him and he has trust issues with women, or his parents got divorced and he has never gotten over it, or he was “just drunk” or high, or that he has “The Bipolar”. Whenever I tell her to leave him, she tells me that I “don’t understand” and that “relationships are hard” and that “when you love someone you don’t give up on them.”

She called me last night and put me on speaker phone, and I overheard him in the background yelling at her. Since I was on speakerphone, I took the opportunity and told him that if he hits her again (I learned her beat her again a few nights ago because she “embarrassed” him in front of his friend or whatever lame shit he decided was good enough a reason to hurt her) that I was going to fly back down and make him pay, and he yelled that he “will do what the fuck he wants” as a response. I called him an asshole for saying that, and I could hear things being thrown around as he was yelling that he has a gun, and is going to come and find me and kill me. She defended me for a whole two seconds, crying, saying “that’s my sister, stop, don’t say that” but he kept screaming “she’s dead, she’s fucking dead”. Then after he took off in her car in anger, she turned on me, yelling and being nasty to me because I apparently CAUSED him to leave with my comments (he was just bailed out of jail a week or so ago - where he was in for a drive-by shooting where he shot at 2 teenagers - so he has a curfew and isn’t even supposed to be driving).

I feel like if her constant mixture of drinking and drug use doesn’t kill her, he will hit her a little too hard one day, or not let go in time when he’s choking her (another thing he likes to do), and she will die. She will be another statistic, another female killed by a violent boyfriend.

So what can I do? What can I say? Listening to her and agreeing with her (which I’ve tried… a lot, as a means to stay part of her life, because if you show her you don’t approve of her incredibly stupid choices she shuts you out) doesn’t help, disagreeing doesn’t help.

How can I tell her that the relationship she is in is not normal? How can I tell her that there are other males out there who will treat her with respect, that what she has is NOT love. How can I reach her? Can you write something to her, so I that I can link her to this to read? Maybe if she hears it from well-educated people, people outside of her current loser drug-circle, she will listen. Maybe there’s something you can say that I haven’t thought of… I’ve tried everything. Every day I want to give up and distance myself from her, stop taking her calls, but I’m scared that if she dies I’ll never forgive myself for shutting her out. I guess, this is the last thing I could think of to do.

And maybe you could clear up what bipolar really means, if it makes you rape (someone you refuse to call) your girlfriend, organize rapes while she’s unconscious, steal, lie, and beat up on females. And what about drinking? I’ve tried to tell them that drinking doesn’t change your personality, that it doesn’t all-of-a-sudden make you violent, but they disagree. Maybe you could clear up those things as well.

I’d really like to talk about how she has wasted about half a million dollars on buying cars, drugs, bailing him, his friends and herself out of jail and paying legal fees and having money stolen, but I’m not sure if all that is necessary or relevant to his personality. (What IS wrong with him?)

*He has sex with males. I know of at least five, so I’m sure there are more. The first gay male he slept with was a casual friend of my sister. After he slept with the casual friend of my sister who is gay, he started to tell my sister evil things about him, telling her not to trust him, and ordering her to never see him again if she wanted them to be together. The next guy he had sex with, he said he was “drugged out of his mind and didn’t know what was happening”, and the next guy “fed him drugs and raped him”, and he’s just gone with that excuse again and again.

sorry, 24hoursunshine, that original post is a little overwhelmingly long - you may be having trouble attracting responses because people don’t want to respond to something so serious when they have only skimmed the OP, but they may not have time to read it in the detail it deserves. Anyway, I hope a few wise people do weigh in.

Unforunately (or fortunately for me) I have no experience with anything like what you are describing so I can’t help much. But a few things do occur to me –

  • you haven’t said how long this relationship has been going on. One year? Two years? Whatever, it sounds like a long time. Given that you’ve been begging her to see the light for a long time, and she isn’t, you may have to accept that this is not something you can fix. If something horrible does happen to her, it is NOT YOUR FAULT. She is a grown up and has rejected your efforts to help her. By all means keep reaching out to her, but don’t let it consume your own life.

  • if you want to know about bipolar disorder, Google is your friend. I am not a psychologist (but I grew up with a clinical therapist) but I’d agree he doesn’t sound like he’s bipolar - or at least, he’s not JUST bipolar. Obviously he as a lot of other problems as well.

  • Can you call a local shelter for abused women and ask them if they know of a support group in your area for relatives of women in abusive relationships? They may have some suggestions.

  • If I were you, I think I’d stop telling my sister what a creep her boyfriend is. She’s got plenty of evidence of his shortcomings without you pointing it out - that may just cause her to dig herself in deeper. Instead, why not try “look, you’re a grown up and you have to make your own choices. I respect that, but I also think a time may come when you will want to make a different choice than you are now about this relationship. If that day ever comes and you need help. I promise I will not lecture, I will not say “I told you so,” I will just help you.”

That’s all I got. Good luck.

CairoCarol makes some good points. It sounds like the guy is showing some classic signs of being an abuser – his attempts to limit or cutoff contact with you are particularly worrisome – but you’ve already told your sister that. I am very sorry to say this, but there may not be much you can do except support your sister and be there for her when she wakes up.

I don’t know that much about bipolar, but I can assure you it absolutely does not make a person rape someone, organize rapes, steal, lie, cheat, etc. It is controllable and treatable. If this fellow’s condition is so bad he’s committing crimes, he needs to get into treatment fast. Unfortunately, there are some people who will use anything they can as excuses to justify their behaviour. From everything I’ve read, it’s the same with getting drunk. It doesn’t change who you are, but it may lead you to reveal aspects of yourself you prefer to keep hidden.

I wish I could give you better news. Unfortunately, there are louts out there and there are people who are foolish enough to believe them and the things they say to justify being louts.

EXCELLENT advice.

And, even though there are real persons out there with Bipolar disorder (myself included), I feel that it’s just sort of become the new catch-phrase for mental illness. Even so, there is no excuse for his behavior.

Please allow me to be among the first to welcome you to the boards.

Whew, that’s quite an adventure you have going on there. Before I toss my two cents in please be aware that IANAT (I Am Not A Therapist) and as such any advice given by me, or by anybody else really, should be taken with the grains of salt due to any group of anonymous people on the net.

That said, yeah there seem to be some substance and abuse issues present in your description. Any time someone uses enough of a substance to pass out or black out then there could be issues. Abuse is another issue altogether. I like the nice, broad and simple definition of abuse as “Anything that violates the Golden Rule”.

“Treat others like you want to be treated.”

This rule has been argued and debated many times on this board and elsewhere, but I think it’s simple enough and basic enough to be a starting point. It is also important to note that although the phrase carries with it an association with religion, in and of itself it does not endorse or require belief in any particular system of faith (or in faith itself).

Another article I find usefull, although it carries more of a stigmatism due to association with religion, is the Serenity Prayer.

“God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And the Wisdom to know the difference”

In both cases it is important to look beyond the religious overtones to see the underlying truth.

A third item is from a non-violence class I have taken (read - I was court ordered to take after committing an assult, and I’m damned glad I did):

“There is nothing another person can say or do to make me say or do something I know in my conscience is wrong.”

The summary of these three is to respect others’ and show them the respect that you want them to show you, understand that we can’t change others (you can’t change your sister’s boyfriend and you can’t change your sister) and accept them for who they are, and to understand that we alone are responsible for our own actions because we alone are accountable to our conscience; to our inner knowledge of right and wrong and the pangs of guilt that come from doing something we know is wrong.

Nobody makes us do things, we choose to do things. Nobody has control over us, we choose to give up control. But even if we choose to give up control we are still responsible for our own actions.

What worries me the most about your post is this:

You use the word “again” a lot. When these things keep happening to people like your sister and they refuse to see the problem then, although it’s frustrating and extremely dangerous, there’s not much you can do.

I don’t know why people stay in abusive relationships. Perhaps they feel trapped. Perhaps they feel somehow responsable. Perhaps they feel that they can “change” somebody, this abusive asshat can be reformed into a decent human being and it’s their job to do it.

Here’s the truth. People are only trapped when they want to be. There is nothing that says your sister has to stay. She can call the police, she can go to a shelter, I’m guessing she can move in with you if she needs to, as long as she gets some place safe. But until she sees there is a problem and gets fed up with it then she won’t do any of these things.

People are not, ever, responsible for another’s actions… ever. You did not cause him to drive off and violate his curfew, being molested does not cause him to make the choice to molest others, being cheated on does not cause him to feel the way he does, his parents divorce does not cause him to be the way he is. The truth is that he makes those choices on his own, no matter where he shifts the blame the bottom line is that only we are responsible for our choices. Curiously, none of these things needs to be true or false. They could all be true or he could be making all of them up, it doesn’t matter. Shifting the blame away from ourselves, turning the situation around to where “It’s not MY fault, it’s obviously somebody elses fault.” works the same for real and imaginary targets.

Unfortunately in an abusive situation the target is all too real. Your sister.

No matter what she may think, and I’m not assuming that this is what she is thinking, she cannot change this person. She cannot make him better. He is not “misunderstood”, he is abusive and only a trained professional can address that. He is abusive and only through the consequence of his actions will he even begin to see it. Although abusive people often blind themselves and justify their own actions with blame shifting toward others.

So here’s what I think, remember IANAT.

First remember that you are not alone, there are unfortunately thousands of loving family members going through the frustrations of watching someone they care about get hurt.

Second remember that your sister is not alone, this happens quite often pretty much everywhere.

Third remember the three items I mentioned before and share them with your sister, it could spark help.

And fourth, remember that you are not powerless. You cannot change someone who does not want to change, you cannot rescue someone who does not want to be rescued, but by God you can pick up the phone and give that person your unconditional and nonjudgemental support. You can pick up that phone when you think your sister is in danger and call the police. You can look around for victim advocates, abused women progams, names and locations of shelters, programs in your sisters area and share this information with your sister. At least find the location of a shelter near her and give it to her so she has a safe place to go when she wisens up and decides to seek safety.

If he threatens you over the phone, call the police. If you hear him being abusive, call the police. If your sister says he hits her, call the police. She might retract the claim, she might say “Oh, I fell, accidently, and hit my face on the coffee table about 30 times.” There is nothing you can do about that.

The bottom line is you have to do what is right. Not what is right for your sister or what society says is right. You have to do what is right for you. Help your sister. Communicate some of the things I have mentioned. But if she refuses your help, offer your love instead.

As I said, I am not a therapist, but I do have experience with these things. Good luck, I hope some of this helps.

If he’s out on bond, call the local prosecutor and let them know that he’s been violating his curfew and driving. I’m sure they’d be interested to find that out.

We pulled my sister out of an abusive relationship. Into rehab. Unfortunately, you need to wait until it is HER CHOICE to leave. You can’t make an adult do something they don’t want to do, and any attempt to separate them through manipulation will turn your sister into the world’s oldest petulant teenager.

It took almost three years and “you are going to die in less than a year if you don’t stop drinking, your liver is going fast” for my sister to wise up. And we will see if it sticks - its only been three months.

Get yourself to AlAnon. Learn to understand what you can’t control. You can’t be enabling her. All you can do is wait and help put the pieces together when SHE determines a need for change. I wish there were magic words that would make this all better.,

Oh, you are doing a lot of blaming her boyfriend - like if he leaves your sister will suddenly be healthy again. Sounds like he is a waste of oxygen - but he is only ONE of her issues. And if she gets rid of him she’ll still have a long way to go before she is safe and functional. Also, remember she made choices which put her here, and continues to make those choices. Because SHE’LL want to blame everyone but herself for her circumstances - and as long as she does that, she can’t take responsibility for herself, which is what she needs to do.

Exactly, she could dump this loser and without addressing herself will likely end up with another just like him. The cycle will continue until she gets out of the situation and gets help.

With any amount of luck he will be in jail soon for the drive-by, and she will get some space to gain some clarity. I agreed with the above poster who said to give the prosecutor a call.

Some great advice here.

I second stop running him down, it’s really not helping.

When she calls to bend your ear with her woes, listen with only one ear. Your only advice to her should be, “Keep doing what you’ve always done and you’ll keep getting these same results.”

Every time you speak, tell her there is a place she can go for shelter and help, repeat the address and phone number of the closest womens shelter. Seriously, I’d repeat this every single time you speak, until she’s tired of hearing it, and then, I’d keep right on saying it. I wouldn’t try and talk her into going, I wouldn’t advice her to go, I’d just tell her it’s there, again and again and again.

When she reaches the “Why can’t I seem to change this?” phase, {which she will once you stop condemning him and let her get there on her own}, remind her, and yourself, that some people go around the track once and get the life lesson, some people have to go around the track a few times. And some people have to go around a few dozen times before they get the lesson and seek change. Just keep banging on this drum, she really needs to see the repetitive pattern before she’ll want to change it.

It is very hard to express love to people who are self destructing to this degree. The sad truth is you cannot push a rope, they cannot come out of it until they are ready. All you can do is hope for the composure to go the distance and stay loving and non judgmental towards them until the day comes when they’re ready to move forward.

I highly commend you for getting up and moving and getting yourself away, it was a wise strategy in my opinion. I would recommend you find a nice photo of your sister from before this took over her life. One where she’s smiling, bright, shiny, young and brimming with potential. Enlarge, frame and mat it, hang it where you will see it every day.

It will help you to remember the sister you love, still inside the self destructive dysfunctional woman you see before you now. It will help you to stay loving toward her, disconnected from her actions. Unconditional love, she’s going to need that. Maybe not today, but one day.

Many of your conflicts arise out of your need to express love for her. Wanting to shelter her from harm, to protect her - but she won’t let you. So, instead, your love comes out as angry words and fights with her. The photo on the wall will give you a receptacle for your love for her and you may find a positive change in the pattern of your interactions as they currently stand.

This is a very difficult thing to watch someone you love go through, good luck to you!

You can’t make her leave her boyfriend. You can’t even talk her into it.

Really, the only thing you can do is make sure she knows that there is a place for her to go if she does ever choose to leave him. You can make sure she knows that you love her, that you think she’s strong, and that she deserves to be happy.

About the only other thing you can do is what the others have suggested - call the boyfriend’s parole/probation officer and tell him what’s going on.

Remember as well that most of what she tells you is not likely going to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Some of the horror will be exaggerated. Some of it will be diminished or completely hidden to try and ‘protect’ you - or keep her from looking really stupid. Sometimes she’ll say she isn’t using when she is. Sometimes she’ll tell you she has done something to help herself (often to manipulate you into more help) when she hasn’t lifted a finger. Sometimes what she says will be outright lies, sometimes half truths, and sometimes it will be the truth. - When she gets around to the “you never listen/believe me” stage, remember that this too is her responsibility.

As for Bipolar Disorder, I don’t believe that it is anything other than a way to justify his behavior. He may have it or he may not, it’s no excuse. Here’s some more information on the disorder itself:Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia

Alcohol and drug use is another issue. Here’s the Wiki on Alcoholism:Alcoholism - Wikipedia. Note the following quote:

So yes, alcohol can change a persons personality. Still, it is a choice to drink or not to drink. It is a choice to see the problem or not see the problem. It is a choice to get help or not get help. Fighting addiction is an uphill battle all the way but it is a battle that is winnable.

Still, all of this concerns him and quite frankly, given everybody elses input I would say who gives a shite about him. You need to focus on you and your sister. Be strong and be there for her.

There may be a lot of answers here that you don’t want to hear but unfortunately they are all true. Especially getting the number of a local shelter and give it to her each and every time you talk to her. Let her know she is not alone, she does not have to live like this and she does not have to be afraid.

Best of wishes.
-N8

I have an Aunt in a roughly similar situation. She refuses to get out of it and get help, and as this has gone on for a few years now, my family has come to the stance that we can’t help her, because, well, we can’t. She chooses to stay in an abusive relationship–that’s her choice. As a family, we’ve done what could be done. My Grandparents had to take her to court for Gardianship of her now 10 year old son. (Please be glad that your sister doesn’t have kids in this situation with her.) Everyone knows not to give her money, etc.

Any one of my Aunt’s sisters would help her if she really truly wanted help, but she doesn’t. Oh, she’ll call for a ride and a place to stay for the night afther her boyfriend beats her and kicks her out of their apt. in the middle of winter with no coat or shoes, but she spends the night calling him and begging him to let her come back. He’ll come to get her the next afternoon, and she happily gets into the car.
So, yeah, I know a little bit about where you’re coming from. Here are a few things to know:
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[li]You can’t force her out of the situation. She must choose to leave it.[/li][li]Make sure that she knows where she can go. Too many abused women think that they don’t have anywhere to go, so they stay. A shelter is a good place to start. I would be hesitant to have her move in with me right away; she will probably bring the situation with her. [/li][li]Stay clear of him. He will hurt you. (Though my Aunt’s BF won’t come around my family for fear that we’ll hurt him. But, we have a lot more in numbers than a single woman.)[/li][li] Understand that giving her money is the same as giving him money. Either she’ll give it to him or he’ll steal it, either way it will still end up with him. I know you want to do everything you can to help her, but this isn’t the way. (This was a long hard lesson for my family, especially my Grandmother, to learn with my Aunt.)[/li][/ul]

I agree with contacting his parole officer. If he/she doesn’t know about the shooting, tell him/her. I’d recommend email contact, but whatever you do, keep a record of it. Dates, times, write down everything your sister tells you and when/if/how you relayed the information. All you know is what you’re told, but if you need to testify against him at some point, the information will help.

I might have more later, but for now I should do some work.

You’ve been given lots of good advice and I don’t have any to add, except to suggest Al-Anon for yourself. I just wanted to let you know I read your entire OP and hope for the best for your sister.

This may be terrible advice, but I do know it’s worked for me in a couple of situations, so I’ll share it and let you decide if it’s something you think you can do.

Tell your sister that you REFUSE to hear one more word about the boyfriend. Period. If she is so miserable that she has to constantly complain to you about him, then she needs to leave, and you’ll be happy to help her do so in any way you can. But, since she stays, she must be satisfied with the way the relationship is going. So as long as she stays, you’ll assume she’s happy with the situation and won’t entertain any whining or crying. If she chooses that life, she’s forfeited the right to complain about it.

Then, next time she calls you to complain, immediately change the subject. Ask about her job or if she’s seen a certain movie or about a news story you’ve been following. Do not, under any circumstances, let her suck you in.

I think she likes playing the victim, and you (unwittingly) play an important role in her drama. If you refuse to participate any longer, she loses one of the aspects about being victimized that she obviously gets something out of. If she’s not reaping one of her rewards, perhaps she’ll start realizing there really is nothing to gain from her behavior and start thinking about changing it.

I hope she comes out at the other end of this mess, a healthier and happier person, but she’s going to need a lot of therapy to figure out why she allowed herself to participate in this kind of abusive relationship. I wish you both the best of luck.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!!!

When my sister got out of her abusive relationship and into therapy and rehab, they spent a lot of time trying to figure out “why she allowed herself to participate in an abusive relationship.” That path lead to a lot of blame for her family (who wanted to help), accusations of sexual abuses discovered through recovered memories (which ‘recovering’ those memories made her even more screwed up than she was, and no real healing at all. Everything and everyone was ‘codependent’ - including herself - and her problems would all be resolved if WE would all stop being so ‘codependent.’

She started getting healthy when she stopped trying to find something in her past to blame, and started taking responsibility for her present.

I’m a big fan of responsible therapy - but its very easy for therapists to not be responsible. And its very hard for someone coming out of an abusive relationship with their own chemical abuse issues to be able to critique their own therapy.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!!!

Misreading statements or intent can lead to knee-jerking reactions.

By your own admission, your sister got healthy when she finally took responsibility for her actions. Your sister clearly had a bad therapist. Thank goodness she finally found the right solution for herself.

Figuring out why the OP’s sister lets herself stay in an abusive relationship doesn’t imply that it’s necessarily because of any past acts. It may simply be that she has figured out that she gets some kind of emotional reward from losing this guy, then winning him back. There is a reason she stays for this crap, because she is smart enough to know it’s wrong. She needs to figure that out, or either be doomed to stay, or doomed to repeating the behavior.

I’m sorry about that, I didn’t mean for it to be so long. I was nervous about that, and debated for awhile about even posting.

The relationship has lasted for over two and a half years now, somehow.

I’m afraid I came off completely one-dimensional, I hope I didn’t. I don’t always criticize her boyfriend, her relationship or her choices. It’s just that after awhile of hearing really messed up things, I think to myself, well, maybe I’ll try one more time… maybe this time instead of listening to her and saying “yeah” a hundred times I’ll talk back and tell her how messed up what she just told me is, and maybe this time she’ll hear me. I know that it gets me nowhere, and I’ve read in a lot of these responses that it isn’t the best way of handling it, so I definitely will just keep my negative opinions to myself.

I will mention the shelter, next time I learn of abuse, though I think that after the last phone call, she will try to be more careful about telling me anything new so that I don’t get upset and mess things up with her boyfriend by asking him to stop.