That was my opinion too, it is not turned into a wrong one just because you say so when I say that yours is not likely it is based on how corporations have a lot of power over politicians, and what happened recently in the past.
This is just ignorance, “Elections” was spin off of “Great Debates” and virtually the same rules apply.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18201177&postcount=1
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As in Great Debates, so in Elections. While it may be clear to many that this rule transferred over when Elections split off from Great Debates we have decided to make it explicit.
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Same thing. “Elections” was spun off from GD to discuss and debate election-specific issues.
One that doesn’t get locked, for one thing, like your last one was.
One that promotes an informative and constructive debate, for another.
I don’t see how it’s possible to have a constructive debate about why to vote for a bombastic idiot who’s managed to turn salesmanship into demagoguery. He’s not a serious candidate and never will be, even if he does get the nomination. He has no interest in public service and zero knowledge of either domestic or international affairs. He’s a national embarrassment, a boundless source of humor, and a terribly sad indictment of a failing political system and a failed political party. There’s really not much more to say.
You know, you’re right. Sorry about that. Yes, the rules for the Elections forum are basically the same as the Great Debates ones, but the name is not the same.
Can’t keep track of all these new forums. [mutter mutter mutter slink]
Please describe to me a constructive debate between a Trump supporter and…who do you support? LOL. I don’t think much construction will occur.
And your last paragraph is purely your view of Trump. I could rant and rave about Bernie or Hillary just as venomously but what would be the point? You really think any words you type in this forum will sway one bloody vote?
And who said I was looking for a “constructive debate”?? I posted in “Elections” where it reads:
“Discussion of politicians and public figures.” Not “Debates”, Discussions.
That’s alright. I’m new here and come from a more loose and crazy forum atmosphere.
However, a discussion is more than simply throwing out uninformed opinions and refusing to examine facts. We have an opinion forum and this is not it.
Your refusal to provide facts and refusal to consider the facts others have presented removes this thread from the realm of discussion.
And I have no idea where you came up with the odd belief that an opinion cannot be wrong. You may be confusing opinions with feelings. Opinions can and often are wrong and if the facts are against an opinion, it is wrong. That opinions are not based on facts simply leaves them open to more error; it does not provide an excuse to hold them in the face of reality.
Since you seem unwilling to consider facts and reality to support your opinion, I am moving this thread to the In My Humble Opinion forum.
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This reads like Trump talking about Jeb. So sad, so terribly sad. And not serious. A national embarrassment.
LOL. #weaksauce
Let me get this straight. You know Trump is full of shit, but you are going to vote for him anyway because it will be interesting? Do the country a favor. Don’t vote.
I hope you don’t invest the way you vote. If you did, you’d fall for a scheme that promises 20% yearly returns. If you bother to ask the guy how he does it, he says “trust me. It will be huuge.”
Remember, Trump is a brand now, not a businessman. Read about Trump University some time.
Not only did the sky not fall but unemployment was but about in half, the deficit is way down, the country did not fall into a depression, we are doing better than other countries economically, and we have far more people covered by healthcare than before. None of the horrible things Republicans claimed would happen did happen. And we have low inflation, low gas prices, and are almost energy sufficient. Not too shabby.
Yep. You’ve offered nothing be weaksauce. Welcome to IMHO.
People who don’t vote should shout their mouths regarding politics. I’m going to stick around this place, it seems it is mostly populated with left wing progressives and come November I want to be here when Trump gets elected.
yes, I know he is full of shit (like all of them) and I will vote for him because he is the least full of shit and because I identify with some of the issues he wants to address.
To suggest someone not vote is the most irresponsible thing you can do politically. People have died for the right to vote.
This thread is apparently his attempt to do better than that thread that was consigned to The Pit & then closed.
He has failed.
That never works for me 
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - John Stuart Mill, 1867
No, it wasn’t.
It appears from your posts that you support Trump based on vague and shifting promises rather than clearly outlined plans for achieving specific, defined goals.
Trump has no platform, no policies, and no plans. You can provide no reason to vote for him other that his unsupported claims he will accomplish things a president cannot.
No, the most irresponsible thing would be to vote for someone with no platform, policies, or plans, because of a vague, uninformed, inchoate attraction to the rhetoric. That is just pissing all over the right to vote.
Let’s see.
Actually, you’re totally right. With the list of things you don’t care about, why would you?
To be fair, though, that’s the electorate the Republican establishment leadership has been working hard to create over the last few decades.
Their one shared fundamental principle of governance, a legacy of the pre-FDR days, is “important rich guys should be running things, and a successful system is one that benefits important rich guys”. Since there aren’t enough important rich guys to implement this principle by direct majority rule, they need to persuade a substantial slice of the electorate to identify with important rich guys as the “team” that they support.
For ordinary people to believe that their interests actually intrinsically align to a significant extent with those of important rich guys, you need huge amounts of ignorance, misinformation, cognitive dissonance, and resistance to fact-checking and critical thinking. That’s what elite Republican social conservatism, anticommunism, and the “war on terror” have basically been about: frighten enough ordinary people badly enough with the threat of “the enemy” taking over (i.e., anarchists, commies, hippies, blacks, gays, immigrants Muslims, etc.), and you can convince them to line up for the important rich guys who are promising to save them from that.
This whole “he’s better than politicians because he’s a businessman” schtick has been part of the standard conservative narrative for decades. They used it about George W. Bush:
They used it about Mitt Romney:
What’s upsetting the Republican establishment leadership now is that this standard schtick has (for the moment, at least) slipped out of their control. The amped-up, perpetually angry, charisma-worshipping, thought-averse electorate they took such pains to nurture is forsaking them for a different important rich guy, one who is not loyal to the interests of important rich guys in general but only to his own.
I suspect a lot of Trump supporters are aware, on some dim semi-conscious level, that their conservative leadership has been playing them for suckers all along, by pretending moral and patriotic solidarity with them while actively pursuing policies that drastically undermine their prosperity and security. But like drug addicts made miserable by their dependency but unable to give it up, they soothe their dissatisfaction by simply transferring their allegiance to a different dealer who promises them a more potent fix.
Yes, this is exactly the problem. Trump supporters don’t care how, or even if, something can be done. Even when he tells blatant lies, or proposes things that the experts agree are terrible ideas, you don’t care.
Absolutely. Trump is the perfect Republican Frankenstein that has grown out of the past two decades. Trump is the logical end result of twenty years of willfully and deliberately pushing policies of racism, anti-intellectualism, divisiveness and hatred.
And just like Frankenstein, now that they have created this monster they are upset that they cannot control him.
Sometimes that works though; its human nature to vote our wildest dream even when we know the result will be far different once it gets through Congress and the courts. I don’t think there is a hope in Hell of it actually happening but – a Trump vs. Sanders Presidential race could really be interesting. And it just may wake up both parties to some extent to look beyond the status quo.