Charlie was originally killed by Sylar; then Hiro changed that – and she spontaneously died of a brain hemorrhage. Is that supposed to imply that there’s some supreme force that keeps you from making a real change in the timeline? If so, it’s awfully inconsistent.
The season could be three episodes if Hiro would actually start using his overwhelmingly-powerful ability to teleport to any time and place he wants. When Adam ran out of the bar, Hiro could have been waiting for him outside, said “Nice try!” and taken him wherever he wanted.
No - Hiro attempted to change the timeline and failed. While it wasnt shown on TV, it was covered in the online comics that are consided “canon” by the show itself - Sylar still kills Charlie and takes her power… I too was a holdout for along time on that one - until I saw the comic.
Sylar was not ‘hearing’ the conversation between HRG and VortexMan - (they didnt show him actually hearing it like they do with parkman or other folks “hearing things they shouldnt”) - but its not hard to guess why there was so much argument going on, and Sylar’s pretty smart.
Other than TK, they havent really shown Sylar using any of his ‘old’ powers - it really makes very little sense. (altho you could say him going nuclear 4 years from now was an old power).
Peter, on the ohter hand, has clearly shown that he knows/uses the powers at his disposal - just not always when he should.
Adam’s “plan” seems to have been pretty obvious – to ditch Hiro. That is why he maneuvered Hiro into getting coldcocked, so Hiro could not use his timey-wimey powers to recapture Adam.
Hence Ando and Hiro wondering where Adam had taken them, and then later moping about being such poor heroes. While I can buy that Hiro set something up to that it only looked like he killed Ando (which would be out of character for Hiro), I’m not thinking that either one of them are good enough actors to have been in-character for such a conspiracy for that entire scene.
I do like that the Puppet Master power is one that would pretty much be guarunteed to lead someone to being a villian. I mean come on…you find out tomorrow that you can get anyone to do anything you want? It’d be real hard not to go down that slippery slope.
I’m pretty sure that’s not correct. However, the show isn’t really worth arguing over.
Meredith’s flammability doesn’t seem to have been much use in going after the Puppetmaster. Claire’s adoptive mom with a .45 might actually have been more effective.
I dunno, he kind of trusted her, but then to have her turn around and tell him to kill someone he knows nothing about? While she despises Sylar, she was vey sympathatic to the vortex guy and thought it was simply too cruel a thing to ask him to do.
OK, for me, the stupidest part of the show (and don’t get me wrong, I love the show) is the fact that the corporation decided that the best way to deal with the formula was to tear in half and put them in different safe places. That’s it. Here you take one half, I’ll take the other and everything will be a-ok. Now Adam did say, “I told them to destroy it” but we are never given an explanation as to why they chose such an idiotic option for the formula.
Also, if we have people who can travel back in time (like Hiro and Peter), wouldn’t it make sense to go back to when the formula was developed or destroyed? Why did future Peter come back to such an ambiguous time to try and change the future?
Yeah, why is Claire’s birth mom expected to competently protect anyone? She’s not trained, and mostly can just burn buildings down. She’s useful for lighting cigarettes, but don’t see how she thought she could handle herself with someone like the Puppetmaster.
The assumption here is that Mama Petrelli has to have given birth to Sylar to be considered his mother.
Given that we’ve already established that she and her cronies were experimenting with all sorts of genetic mumbo-jumbo and that she was more than willing to use Nathan as a test subject, it’s not a stretch to assume that her genetic material could have been used to create Sylar through other means (like as a test tube baby).
Of course, knowing how this season is going, they’ll just find some other sillier explanation for the mystery pregnancy no one remembers… maybe a character with magical mind-wipe abilities who can make everyone forget it except for Mama herself. Yeah. That’s the ticket. :rolleyes:
FireMom knew the puppet-master, and knew his powers, and apparently thought she could deal with him. Noah thought that FireMom was competent enough to protect his family. Presumably they had reason to think they were correct in these assumptions.
The fact that both were wrong in their assessments is just more grist for the drama mill, not an OMGstupid moment.
Not really arguing - this was hashed and rehashed during season 1, I was firmly in the camp of “sylar didnt kill her, she jsut died” camp, and still would be if it were not for this.
How do we know that no one remembers Mama Petrelli had another pregnancy? Who knew her thirty years ago? Nathan would have been a toddler at most. Papa Petrelli has yet to speak. Linderman’s dead. Maury might know. Bob’s dead. Eric Roberts is dead. Sulu is dead. Adam was in his cell in Level 2.
Also, don’t leave out the fact that the Petrelli’s seem to come from the upper class, and it is not inconceivable that Angela didn’t have a lot to do with the day-to-day raising of Nathan. So Nathan could conceivably have had so little contact with mama that he might’ve missed a pregnancy.
And who was it that she implied had been institutionalized when suggesting Peter had inherited the crazies – was that her or Mr. Petrelli? A nice long trip to a “private clinic” could’ve easily covered for a secret pregnancy.
My suspicion is if Sylar really is her son, then he and Peter are twins. They both look the same age, and there goes the need to hide a secret pregnancy.
IIRC, Papa P. had supposedly committed suicide. I seem to recall Mama P. saying something about him having been delusional, too. Of course we can’t really trust her, can we?
By the way, Milo and Zachary (Peter and Sylar) were both born in 1977 a little more than a month apart, Zachary on June 2 and Milo on July 8, so it’s not inconceivable that the characters could have been intended to be the same age.
I think my girlfriend has the first season DVD’s, so I can find out for sure. It would be ridiculous to say that something from a different source is “canon” for a tv show if it contradicts something that’s specifically established in the tv show.
All this talk about siblings – wonder if Hiro’s sister will show up again at some point. Isn’t she running the family company back in Tokyo? (And what does it do, exactly?)
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I think Charlie was still killed by Sylar. It was a combination of Hiro couldn’t convince her to believe she was in danger, and her knowing that she was dying anyway, so she felt it didn’t matter when so much as long as she was living fully now. Hiro kept telling her not to go to work that day and to run away with him (he bought two plane tickets to Japan (?) I think it was)… she refused to do so. If she’s still at the cafe on the day Sylar shows up, she gets her top popped. I think he left Charlie in the past the day before Sylar killed her, realizing he couldn’t convince her to leave with him.
The memorial wall didn’t change at all except for Hiro appearing in her birthday photo. She apparently died on the same day, so I don’t think her brain defect just happened to blow right when she would have been killed by Sylar. I also seem to recall that the people at the cafe were still walking around kind of horrified, which I think points to seeing her head split open, not just watching her collapse and die.
I mentioned this in a previous thread, but the reason, I suspect, is that the Company wants to retain that power for themselves. They don’t want it to be impossible for normals to get superpowers, they want to be the final arbiters of who gets them and when. They’re playing God because they think they’re the only ones qualified to do so. I imagine they’re not acknowledging to themselves that they’re actually just on a giant power trip.
It’s possible that they employed the Haitian for mind-wiping, but how old do you suppose he is (I suck at estimating ages)? Nathan would probably have been 10 or so when Peter was born, given their current ages. The Company recruited the Haitian when he was still a teenager, but that would put him at about 5-ish years older than Nathan, if he was around to mind-wipe the kid. He doesn’t look 45 to me.
Yes, Adam Monroe is about that old. Since his ability is to heal/regenerate himself from injury, eventually he started healing himself from the “injuries” of aging, too. He’s constantly regenerating now, and hence doesn’t age.
I think it’s whether it’s right to destroy science (i.e. burn books) or try to control what’s done with it. Also, the Company, that is, Mama Petrelli and the scientist in California who made the Niki triplets & Nathan, freely admit they were arrogant, playing God, etc, and saw the error of their ways.
There’s always a line between book burning and scientific ethics. The Company didn’t want to burn the book, but knew it shouldn’t fall into the wrong hands.
Why’s everyone thinking Mama Petrelli’s pregnancy would’ve had to be secret? Thankfully, it doesn’t happen as much as it used to, but women going to the hospital pregnant and returning without a child is certainly not unheard of, and also a good reason for no questions being asked…