Heroes 11/19/07 - "Cautionary Tales" (SPOILERS)

All in all I thought it was a fantastic episode. I also agree that Mo is a huge tool!

Maybe we could start a letter writing campaign to the writers guild to have them strike for everything but heroes. I’m sure if we explain that we really like the show and it’s just starting to get good the will be more than happy to drop the strike for this one show.

Ah, yes, of course, duct tape. Patches holes in the couch, seals boxes, and grounds out the powers of lightning-shooting psycho-bitches. Handy stuff, that. :wink: Didn’t catch that it was duct tape, it looked like some kinda weird Wonder Woman bracelets or something. Anyway, with that new bit of info in place, I’ll rephrase:

I buy the bathtub trick for Elle, and that was actually pretty cool. But what was with the duct tape? How did that work at all?

Holly Shit! (as expressed earlier in thread)
Man I can’t wait to see how this stuff gets wrapped up. However, I suspect that the company and Adam/Etc. will be wrapped up (Hiro gets to decapitate Adam/Kensai, he’s the only one who knows his weakness from meeting him in the past!) but that Sylar’s return will be more or less thrown by the wayside.
I wonder if part of the reshoot involves Alejandro/Maya merely getting offed, since their whole plot sucked anyways, Sylar whacks them when he regains his powers… “5 days” without medicine is enough for Peter to get powers back, and Im sure we’re approaching that threshold for Sylar as well.

The duct tape did nothing. The fact that Elle knew Noah could be just as ruthless and violent, and was a good shot, made her pause. She needs to aim, so if she escaped, instant bullet in the noggin.

Yeah, that bugged the hell out of me, too. I was a little dubious of the physics behind the bathtub trick, but I was willing to roll with it… but when they were making the handoff, I wanted to know why she didn’t immediately zap them. Even with a gun on her, I think she could’ve taken them out easily.

Man, Kristen Bell is a damn good actress. I loved her in Veronica Mars, but now in Heroes I hate her. I’d still have freaky electric sex with her, though.

I’m really hoping that the blood used to revive Noah wasn’t Claire’s, that the bag of blood Bob took from her is just a red (heh) herring. Letting Claire have the same superhealing effect on other people is way too powerful… it’d be best if that was Adam’s blood, so it’s not as reliable.

The blood’s Claire’s. It seems to be a rule of the setting that similar powers behave identically. Parkman could do feats of telepathy equal to his father’s. Claude understood Nathan’s power and had an inkling on how to use it. They knoe Adam’s blood heals, so Claire’s does as well.

As for why they didn’t stockpile Adam’s blood, perhaps it doesn’t keep. Or perhaps they couldn’t harvest it while Adam was doped up and his powers inhibited.

Agreed, and that’s what I’m afraid of. Her blood can bring back the freakin’ dead, man! Her father, at least, will know that nobody need die around her, ever again (and Claire at least suspects). That’s a huge can of worms they’re opening.*

Of course, Hiro’s power is much the same… but at least they seem to have set limits on what he’s willing or able to accomplish.

*[SUB]How the heck did they get the blood into Noah’s body, anyway? Dude was dead, dead, dead- without a heart to pump the blood, how’d they get it into him?[/SUB]

As mentioned upthread, it’s quite possible for someone’s heart to keep beating for a while after getting shot in the head and being dead-for-all-practical-purposes. Abraham Lincoln, for instance, “lived” for a while (hours?) after getting shot at zero range.

It seems likely that Sylar has the power-inhibiting version of the virus, not the power-blocking drugs.

As I also mentioned, it is possible to get shot in the head and live, as James Brady did. I’ll take either of these as long as they state explicitly they did not revive the dead.

I am confused by this sentence. Do you mean that Claude understood Peter’s power? Based on Claude’s supposedly having previously known another empath? If so, Claude didn’t really understand how Peter’s powers worked. Claude was telling Peter to rid himself of his caring for others but instead Peter (at least initially) accessed his sponged powers by thinking about the person from whom he sponged them.

The difference being that Matt and Maury are direct one-generation blood relatives. That one concrete example of relatives having identical powers (although Maury was never shown manifesting Matt’s “push” power; he used the waking dreams instead) doesn’t support the hypothesis that similar powers work identically.

Which, either way since part of Sylar’s power seemed to be neutralizing foreign substances based on “understanding” how they work, raises the question of whether his original power can adapt against an agent that’s inhibiting it.

I think it is safe to assume his original power can “fix” whatever is inhibiting him now. In season one when Mohinder had him drugged and tied up he over came the drugs and started using his powers again.

Or it could be the more mundane reason that Mohinder is not a medical doctor and mis-dosed Sylar. Additionally, I believe the drug is a paralytic, and TK is a mental power, so it might not have been stopped.

Plus, we’re talking about a world with people that can fly, turn invisible, and time travel… I don’t think it’s a big stretch to suspend our disbelef with some of these other plot conveniences.

Or maybe they just pumped the blood right into his heart, which revived the heart and pumped it everywhere else.

Yeah, to sum it up: You can time-travel to save a lot of people, you can time-travel to save a total stranger, but you can’t time-travel to save a loved one. It’s just not allowed.

I think it’s Claire’s blood, and I think that anyone with the healing/regeneration ability has blood that can heal/regenerate others. In the episode where Peter travels to next year, doesn’t his mom say something along the lines of “you are the only one who can save us”? I understood that to mean that his healing power can heal/cure the people afflicted with the virus.

The writers don’t seem to want to come up with 27764732 different rules about how certain powers work; I think they will be consistent on this and go with the simplest solution, that it was Claire’s recently ‘donated’ blood, and because she can heal herself, her blood can heal others.

ETA: And if that’s the case, that opens her up for a "your dad wouldn’t be alive without your blood, help us save others’ plotline with the Company. She wants to do good, and this has the potential to be powerful leverage.

…and don’t forget that it’s ok to time travel back to feudal Japan to screw up a whole bunch of stuff (and stay too long – so much so that the story is not interesting at all).

But Hiro didn’t screw anything up, he ensured the timeline turned out correctly from his point of view. Without Hiro, Kensei would have been a schlub.

Uh oh, we’re getting into a sticky discussion about time-travel and all those pesky paradoxes… Do we know for a fact that Kensei would have still been a schlub without Hiro? Is Hiro’s remembrance of Kensei being a hero only existing BECAUSE he travelled back in time? Which came first the hero or the schlub?