Anyone care to comment on how Victoria (in 1977) told Kaito that Adam had “help” from the inside otherwise he would not have known about strain 138? Was it Kaito that was the inside man? Or someone else? Linderman, maybe?
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Anyone care to comment on how Victoria (in 1977) told Kaito that Adam had “help” from the inside otherwise he would not have known about strain 138? Was it Kaito that was the inside man? Or someone else? Linderman, maybe?
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I assumed (yes, yes) that his inside help was Parkman’s father.
Who’s the woman who played the younger Victoria in the 70s? She looked familiar, and IMDB doesn’t have an entry.
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What Mohinder has in his “works” case is an antidote formulated from Claire’s blood and a different strain of the virus.
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IIRC Mohinder’s formulated the new cure out of a combination of Claire’s blood and his own antibodies. The virus isn’t part of it.
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Speaking of teasers, in the strip at the end of this week’s show, we see Claire opening the door and there’s Noah! Wearing glasses. The transfusion must not have cured his myopia (the literal one. Who knows about the figurative?)
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Oops, I meant to quote the person that mentioned a teaser showing Hiro with his sword at Peter’s throat and then Peter saying Hiro’s name.
There was talk about them re-working and re-shooting some parts of the later episodes prior to the strike in case they would end up being the season finale. It’s possible that they are using scenes from the original episode for the teasers and those scenes are no longer actually in the episode.
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Aren’t five year contracts for leads pretty standard?
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I thought they’d had to scramble to renew the contracts of everyone, after being surprised by Heroes success and being picked up for a second season. Hence, my wondering just what the contract requirements were.
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Right. The vial of 138 is still in the vaults in Texas. Why The Company has kept it around for 30 years is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner. If they’ve been intending to use it, why haven’t they? If not, why didn’t they destroy it 30 years ago?
What Mohinder has in his “works” case is an antidote formulated from Claire’s blood and a different strain of the virus. Sylar/Gabriel, using Molly as hostage, is going to demand a shot that will give his powers back. Here’s the mystery - Niki has a virus, when and if she gets Mohinder’s vaccine will she lose her multiple-personality tendency but keep her powers? And Sabriel/Gylar thinks he has a virus that has taken his accumulated powers. All he needs is a fix of Mohinder’s joy juice and he’s back to eating brains? Seems like a one-size-conveniently-fits-all plot device.
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They didn’t use the virus, because the Company had a different plan to use – having Ted/Sylar/Peter blow up over New York, with Nathan in place as their political puppet. Although we’re still not clear on how much of that plan was Linderman + Angela with or without the Company’s (i.e., Bob’s) support.
Niki’s multiple personality is not caused by her powers. They went over that, several episodes before. It is a reaction of her mind trying to cope with the change of having powers. And it’s cured now. No more multiple personality. Jessica was not the manifestation of some weird power of hers.
Sylar does not know anything about the virus, or anything about Mohinder’s antibodies. You’re confusing your knowledge as a viewer with what Sylar knows in the show. Sylar only knows that his powers don’t work, and that Mohinder is the only expert around on powers, so if he’s going to get them fixed, Mohinder is who has to fix them.
And, as mentioned, you also have the formulation of Mohinder’s Niki-cure wrong.
Presumably, the Company is who gave Sylar the virus, of course, so it’s entirely likely that Sylar has the same mutated strain as Niki – so Mohinder’s blood alone won’t work on him (as it did for the Haitian).
Up until now, I was holding out hope that Sylar was still in an elaborate Candace simulation. (And the dummy twins were simulacra) But when he phoned Mohinder, that pretty much ended that possibility.
As for Adam Monroe, I can see his viewpoint that releasing the virus would save the world. Now that mankind has reduced the fatalities from disease, starvation, and wars, overpopulation can permanently threaten the ecological balance. Strain 138 would be a quick solution to the problem, giving mankind a chance to survive in the long term.
If Adam selectively saves the right supers, he can even control the course of evolution. In fact, I think Adam Monroe is an extremely well-written character. After living 400 years with an unlimited number of years of good health before him, it must annoy him when current generations don’t plan for the long term. Anything that confers short-term benefit at the expense of the long-term would seriously chap his hide. So, environmental damage, deficit spending, etc. are high on his priority list. One solution is to get someone elected President who might reduce the debt, protect the environment, etc. Well, that didn’t quite work out.
So, the next “solution” is to wipe out 93% of the population (saving key people with Adam’s blood) and maybe try to reduce fertility rates of the remaining humans. Trick Peter into helping you, since only Peter can protect you from the likes of Hiro. This is all logical motivation for a character like Adam. However, I think Adam’s killing of Kaito and the old superfriends was a mistake. (but also logical, since he wants vengeance for being locked up 30 years)
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Niki’s multiple personality is not caused by her powers. They went over that, several episodes before. It is a reaction of her mind trying to cope with the change of having powers. And it’s cured now. No more multiple personality. Jessica was not the manifestation of some weird power of hers.
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Wait, what? When did they establish that her multiples were the result of her trying to cope with having powers? Jessica had apparently been around for many years as a coping mechanism for dealing with Niki’s abusive father and another personality, Gina, re-manifested as recently as four months ago. Niki keeps saying that she’s cured but then new people keep popping out of her head.
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Sylar: “This is where Dr. Suresh lives with a young girl.”
Maya: “Is he home?”
Sylar: “No, but he loves it when I kick in the door.”
CRASH!
Maya: “You’re so handsome.”
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Hilarious. After the episode I wondered, how did Sylar even know where Mohinder/Parkman live? And how did he get there so quickly? :dubious:
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I don’t know why, but I thought ist was funny when Mohinder is sitting in the cab and decides to take out the syringes and blood just to look at them. Or more importantly, to remind us what he is up to. It was just so…expositional, without actual talking. I know the writer’s mantra “show, don’t tell”, but that doesn’t mean do it in an obvious and awkward way.
And can somebody tell me why they kept the virus around at all? Why not encase it in cement and drop in the Marianas Trench?
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The cement would crack. Then the glass would crack.
Either that or Megatron would get ahold of it.
[QUOTE=Otto]
Wait, what? When did they establish that her multiples were the result of her trying to cope with having powers? Jessica had apparently been around for many years as a coping mechanism for dealing with Niki’s abusive father and another personality, Gina, re-manifested as recently as four months ago. Niki keeps saying that she’s cured but then new people keep popping out of her head.
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Per her conversations with Bob in the miserable flashback episode. He was giving her the hard sell to come to the Company for help, since they’d had experience dealing with the mental problems people developed trying to cope with their new superpowers. She chose pills instead, then gave up on that.
And where are you getting that Jessica had “apparently been around for many years”? It was suggested that Niki was abused by her father, but we saw absolutely no indication of Niki missing time or of Jessica’s shennanigans until much before Season One. The first I can remember we’re sure it was Jessica doing stuff, was her framing DL for stealing the money.
Although presumably at some point she’d been with the Company and/or Linderman before then, since Jessica had the “godsend” symbol thing going on. So that could be when the Company learned of – or caused – the whole Jessica MPD thing.
And we have absolutely no evidence that Gina “re-manifested” at all – Gina told Niki “remember when you” went to wherever and called yourself Gina. That was Niki who had called herself Gina. Apparently not a separate Gina personality until Niki went off the pills.
Since the show told us via Bob that people can develop psychoses when they manifest their powers, and we’ve seen no evidence that Niki had MPD at any time before she manifested her powers, we’re pretty much left to conclude that what the show told us happened, is what happened. Which, I know, is something that apparently drives some fans to distraction.
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And where are you getting that Jessica had “apparently been around for many years”?
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That was in the non-miserable flashback episode from S1 when Jessica confronted Niki’s father and went on about how she took every blow that he landed on Niki, etc. That indicates that Jessica developed as a separate personality in response to the abuse, not because Niki developed super-strength.
I don’t recall that line at all, but even in light of it, if Gina is manifesting as a new separate personality as recently as four months ago the notion that Niki is cured is pretty far-fetched.
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Hilarious. After the episode I wondered, how did Sylar even know where Mohinder/Parkman live? And how did he get there so quickly? :dubious:
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Because Mohinder and Parkman are living in Mohinder’s apartment, where Sylar has been before.
[QUOTE=Otto]
I don’t recall that line at all, but even in light of it, if Gina is manifesting as a new separate personality as recently as four months ago the notion that Niki is cured is pretty far-fetched.
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Link to the TWoP recap covering Bob’s explanation of MPD resulting from developing powers.
And, Link covering the scene where Gina says “Remember me? That summer you ran away to L.A. and told everyone to call you Gina?”
And I would say that the Company could have access to someone with a Power to fix Niki’s MPD, if you need a fan-wank as to why it has occurred. Because the MPD storyline is obviously over.
Otherwise, let’s just acknowledge that Heroes, as always, is a comic book on tv with a bit more realistic drama. Only just a bit. Not very much. Overnight cures for ailments that in real life are chronic and torturous are very much in-genre for comic books, and therefore for Heroes.
Niki’s cure is just as implausible as Sylar’s recovery from having a nagamaki run through him in only four months – without benefit of Adam’s handwavium blood. And yet, that too has occurred.
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Yes, I believe there was uncertainty as to whether her blood could do what they hoped it could do. And did.
Didn’t Adam act a bit like he was pretty sure his blood could heal, but hadn’t actually tried it before? That seemed strange. You’d think the Company would have tested that sometime in the last 30 years, and you’d think it would have occurred to Adam sometime after blood transfusions became commonly practiced.
What has Adam been up to all this time anyway? It’s like he disappeared 400 years ago and reappeared around 1970. The writers have managed to make him a bit boring.
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Bolding mine:
The last couple of web comics have been about Adam’s past.
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Didn’t they originally have custody of Claire, turning her over to Noah?
For that matter, why are they keeping Noah alive?
This show makes no sense!
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Hear, hear. I watched most of season 1 with the girlfriend and concluded that this might be a good series if it were exactly one season long, a half season long, or three feature-length movies.
She digs it, though. Dork.
I mean, really, Hiro can’t save Charlie in season 1 because he can’t change what happens. Doesn’t that pretty much castrate his power right there?
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Bolding mine:
The last couple of web comics have been about Adam’s past.
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Ah, okay then. I stopped reading them last season. One of these days when I’m really bored I’ll catch up. Maybe.
[QUOTE=Lightray]
Link to the TWoP recap covering Bob’s explanation of MPD resulting from developing powers.
And, Link covering the scene where Gina says “Remember me? That summer you ran away to L.A. and told everyone to call you Gina?”
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For the first, it’s not like Bob is exactly a Fountain of Truth. For the second, the quote does not preclude that Gina was a separate personality that emerged years earlier and that re-emerged four months ago.
Honestly, it’s not like I’m up nights worrying that Niki might still have multiple personalities. I just don’t think that the show has clearly established that she doesn’t and it’s not like she hasn’t made these “I’m cured baby, it’s all over” pronouncements before.
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
Ah, okay then. I stopped reading them last season. One of these days when I’m really bored I’ll catch up. Maybe.
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The comics are hit or miss on the interesting factor and there are many comics that I wish they would have put into the show instead of some of the boring stuff that did make it into the show.
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever]
I mean, really, Hiro can’t save Charlie in season 1 because he can’t change what happens. Doesn’t that pretty much castrate his power right there?
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I thought Hiro couldn’t save Charlie because there was something wrong with her
and she was going to die anyways. Speaking of the web comics is there anywhere besides the nbc site to look at them? because i tried that last season but the way they had them setup was very very annoying.