Holy F’ing Shit, that was fantastic. Everything that was established in the first 40 minutes was totally turned upside down. Of course, none of this necessarily happens. On the other hand, they’ve hinted in the past that they’re following the Lost philosophy about Fate realigning itself.
Things we do know: (I obviously had to revise this at about the :45 minute mark)
The scar that Hiro was referring to on the subway wasn’t horizontal.
Until now (then, when…) nobody knew that time travel was possible. (That’s for you, AuntiePam )
Peter can be a badass (hell, if Keanau can play one….)
Otherwise good people can be convinced to align with morally questionable people and commit morally questionable acts under certain circumstances. I don’t judge.
I’m trying to keep things vague for those who haven’t seen it yet. It’s really good.
I figured that Mohinder was going to take out the Haitian, but I sure didn’t see the Sylar thing coming! So, it appears that Matt’s son, little Matt Jr, will have powers too. And they said that Jessica was gone, but didn’t explain what happened to her (whatever got rid of her left Niki alive…).
They didn’t show enough of the Sylar/Peter battle for my taste. But it was really cool seeing how the course of events affected all of the characters and what they were all like in five years.
In an earlier thread someone was arguing that Jessica was not a separate person from Niki. I think this episode makes it clear that they are separate beings and Niki is the one with the physical strength.
I didn’t see the Sylar reveal coming, which is strange because I did remember that Isaac said that the picture of the exploding man was Peter not Sylar.
How is Hiro going to treat Matt and Nathan when sees them again in the past? He never found out that it was really Sylar not Nathan.
How did the comic end up back in the apartment? Isaac gave it to the messenger who took it away.
I guess the Haitian let Nathan fly away back in Vegas because he was working for Grandma.
Did they explain how Sylar blocked Matt and Peter’s telepathy?
The Haitian is still alive in the timeline that Hiro is about to change. I think the writers are implying that explodign was such a traumatic event that the healing power could not prevent the scar. Or maybe something happened to him when his powers were being blocked? I wonder what would happen if Claire was hurt or died while the Haitian was blocking her power.
Even five years in the future, everyone just calls him the Haitian.
Candace is the chameleon/illusionist chick. The little girl is Molly. Molly was last seen in about episode three. Sylar killed and brain-ate her parents and Parkman found her hiding in the house.
OK, you do know that this episode was set in a future in which Peter failed to save Claire, right? In failing to save Claire, future Peter never got her healing power, hence can be scarred. The Haitian is not dead. Future Haitian is dead.
I think she’s just so disillusioned that she doesn’t want to get her hopes up just to have them dashed again. I think they must have tried fighting back and hoping things would get better or change, and none of those years produced anything but more heartache and hopelessness. Jessica was never a real optimistic person to start with, so it’s no surprise she’s as bitter as she is.
What a fabulous episode!! So many unexpected happenings. Bennett undercover helping the “specials”, Haitian and Matt working for Nathan.
So, if Hiro did in fact save the cheerleader, why wasn’t the past changed? I must admit that I always get so confused with time travel stuff.
Well, good luck with that. I thought it was a great episode and will be happy to review it when the Season One DVD comes out. Sorry you didn’t like it. Maybe it’s just not the show for your…tastes.
We don’t know yet that The Haitian can block physical powers, do we?
Anyone else catch that the law addressing superhumans was called “the Linderman Initiative”? Named like for instance the Hyde Amendment is named or more like Megan’s Law?
Why is Claire still alive if in this future she wasn’t saved? I think Peter did save her but the bomb still happened because Hiro didn’t kill Sylar. Even though the bomb was actually Peter.
Candice is the shape changing chick that’s appeard in the last few episodes. The little girl they mention for the next episode was named Molly (I think).
Peter picks them up just by coming in close proximity to someone with a power. They didn’t really give any hints as to who else he may have gotten powers from in the last five years (hey, since he’s been around Niki, maybe he periodically turns into Jessica now! :dubious: Anyway, when he meets up with Sylar, he presumably picks up whatever powers Sylar’s stolen from others.
Well, Future Mohinder killed the Future Haitan in the future, so now that Present Hiro and Present Ando are going to (hopefully) change things, there’s no reason to think that’s going to happen in the new timeline.
Y’know, I’m not clear on when he would’ve gotten the scar. In the timeline we know, Future Hiro came back and gave Peter the message to save the cheerleader, which is when he got the healing power. But Future Peter seems to be from the timeline where that didn’t happen. And yet in that timeline Clair is alive, having been, appearantly, saved by Peter…
Present Hiro obviously time traveled forward in his own timeline, but Future Hiro had no knowledge of what Present Hiro had done. Future Hiro didn’t know Claire was still alive. This is especially problematic since in this timeline he had to have still stabbed Sylar. Sylar definitely does not have Claire’s powers since he takes them but somehow recovered from Hiro disemboweling him. Even assuming that the branch point forward from this point on is when Present Hiro teleports out with the sword Future Hiro should know that Claire was saved.
And if Peter was the one that exploded it must have been in combat with Sylar for people to think that Sylar caused it. It must have been a public confrontation for people to be aware of Sylar and Peter and most likely televised since it was unlikely that any one close enough for an eyewitness account didn’t survive.
Regardless of how the main storyline ends the dark future Sylar administration is over. The president has just revealed himself as superhuman and whatever the results of the Sylar/Peter battle are it’s likely to tip Sylar’s hand further.
I was under the impression that this episode took place 5 years in the future from the end of last week’s episode, with everything up to that point having happened in the past of this week’s.
I have the sense that they showed Peter with the scar to plant the idea in our heads that he can be permanently hurt even with Claire’s power. They didn’t want to reveal how, because it will be a major plot point in an upcoming episode (I predict—but I also predicted Hana Geitelman would never show up again, and I was wrong about that ).
It used to be. I liked it a lot up until this episode. I liked it because it wasn’t a total ripoff of the X-Men and the mutant roundups and all the government conspiracies and the evil dystopian futures that destroyed the series.
And I liked it because they kept the superpowers fairly “real” and consistent. In this show we have a Hiro who can control his powers and go to any specific point in the past. Now think about what that means.
I could list a dozen (maybe a hundred if I cared to think about the episode again, which is too horrifying) other points which are equally damaging to its “reality.” They essentially threw out everything that made the show good for a silly bit of melodrama which they can now ignore because it’s just a “what if.” That’s bad writing. Oh wait, did I mention that sweeps just started?
The next three weeks will proceed as if this episode never happened. This episode was nothing more than a wankfest for the panting fans. But some of us like the show as a show, without getting obsessed over every detail, and for us a bad episode is just a bad episode.
Because she wasn’t saved by Peter. She was sent into hiding by her father’s underground railroad. The problem here is that there wasn’t a single point of divergence from the main timeline.
I kind of saw it. Plus, the speech from Nathan to Mohinder about him not being dangerous because all he can do is fly. . .I figured something was definitely up with Nathan.
I liked the episode, and can’t wait for next week.
I was under the impression that Peter did save Claire, otherwise how did he heal from exploding? Others did not know this had happened because Claire was in hiding in this time line. Also, Hiro went forward in time before killing Sylar this caused a slight shift in events so that … oh crap, thinking about time travel just causes headaches and I’ve already been suffering from a migraine since this afternoon.
A couple things before I give up. A while back someone speculated that Future Hiro becomes badass because Ando dies. Good job there.
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Plus, the speech from Nathan to Mohinder about him not being dangerous because all he can do is fly. . .I figured something was definitely up with Nathan.