You realize, of course, that Future Hiro could’ve simply made sure that Past Hiro got the copy of the “Ninth Wonder” and it all would’ve worked out…I think.
I also think that Sylar said that Nathan cover’d up Peter being the bomb and said it was Sylar… and apparently Sylar (or someone) made it appear that Sylar was dead… clearly Peter was out of touch with Nathan long enough for Sylar to take over, but…
While I certainly can stand the bits theyve played with time travel, I hate it when they are going to so clearly use candice’s power and I can no longer trust what I see… Didn’t Nathan (or was it Sylar) specifically ask/remind Mohinder about “letting the bomb happen” ? I also took it that when he sent Mohinder to “take out” Hiro (prime) that he was doing it with the knowledge that Mohinder would let him live… I thought that was what the nod was all about…
Anyway… lots of stuff for what will essentially be a “throw away” episode… Claire died, Bennet died, Hiro (soulpatch) died, Ando died, quite a body count…
Otto - Peter saved claire - that was the clue that SP Hiro gave Bennet to help them… but then bennet swerved them… I still don’t get how Peter got the scar at that point.
You are confusing me. Bennett didn’t set up his underground railroad until after he left the Company and sent Claire away, many episodes after Peter saved her.
I’m trying to figure out how both Claire and Sylar can be alive and the only explanation is thus: Future Hiro was wrong. Sylar still survives even without Claire’s abilities. Or maybe he gets Claire’s powers between last episode and the explosion.
Eh. Time travel is always messy. It never works out logically if characters start affecting their own timelines. Still a cool episode.
[spoiler]They’re working around the grandfather paradox whilst still having the idea remain. Let’s say the present is A, and the Hiro meeting Peter is from future B, in which Peter gets a scar making him hard to recognise through some means and Sylar explodes. Hiro B tells Peter A to save the cheerleader. Hiro B goes back to future B - except he doesn’t, because he’s altered the timeline and now present A leads onto future C in which* Peter * explodes (though Hiro B thinks it’s Sylar), and he is now Hiro* C* who has always had that memory.
Hiro A later turns up in future C - Hiro C is shocked. Except now he’s Hiro D in future D, in which the results of Hiro A’s trip to the future are shown.
I think (but am not sure) that the problems with apparent time travelling differences happen between changes to the timeline; that is, things are consistent between the points that any one Hiro changes time, but change after that happens. I could easily be wrong and I like needless complication, though. [/spoiler]
As I said, it’s not the only point of divergence. Note that, since Future Hiro was killed before he made his trip back to warn Peter, it could be argued that everything that’s happened from the moment of Future Hiro’s visit is up in the air. I’m hoping that more explanation will be forthcoming but with only three episodes left it seems sort of unlikely.
I’ve been lurking for years here and just signed up to say:
Everyone is assuming that “Save the Cheerleader, Save the World” only means to save Claire back when Sylar first tries to kill her.
Perhaps, StC, StW also means that they have to keep Claire away from Sylar at all costs. If he gets a hold of her, as he did this episode, wouldn’t he be pretty much invincible?
Established in this episode (IIRC): Peter did save Clair, which prevented Sylar from having super-healing ability, which opened the door for Hiro to kill him before he went nuclear. But Hiro failed on the last part.
Here are parts of my yet-to-be-ironed-out theory: Hiro confronted the guy that he assumed was Sylar (whether the image that he confronted had emo bangs or a unibrow is unclear to me now) just before he went nuclear, and put a diagonal cut across his face with a special sword that prevented healing. Hiro then jumped out before learning exactly who when nuclear. Beyone that, I’ve got nothing.
Maybe I saw something that others didn’t, or maybe I missed something that others didn’t, but I thought that it was pretty firmly established that “Save the Cheerleader, Save the World” meant “prevent Sylar from getting regenerative powers, so that I can kill him with my sword and save the world.”
I thought he had said that he had just figured out the proper point in time to go to, the subway. That’s what I’m basing all this on so if I’m misremembering then, um, never mind.
I liked the episode and everything, but, as all this discussion about the various “timelines” shows, it’s always something of a mess when you do time travel in a “You can change the past, and be aware that the past once went one way while it has now gone another way” fashion (as opposed to, for example, the single consistent timeline approach of 12 Monkeys, Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure, (most of) the Hitchhiker’s Guide series, etc.).
Especially if you don’t plan it all out in advance. Am I correct in understanding that this show is written as it goes, rather than having been bibled out by the writers at the beginning?
How the hell did Sylar manage to pull off the illusion for 5 years? If he comes anywhere near the Haitian, his cover is blown, if Parkman ever thinks to look into his head, his cover is blown, if there’s ever a loud noise and he winces, his cover is blown.
He definitely hasn’t been imitating Nathan for 5 years. He says in the final confrontation that when he killed Nathan that “he had already turned against his own kind”.
ok, here’s my belief:
the reason the “future” hadn’t changed was because the past timeline hadn’t “caught up” yet. FutureHiro went to a specific time: Claire was saved. Note Claire is still alive which future hiro doesn’t know so the timeline has changed. BUT presentHiro had not yet killed Sylar, so the bomb situation hasn’t yet changed due to the fact that changedtimeline hasn’t caught up with futuretimeline. It’s slightly convulted, but technically perfectly consistant. I could probably draw it with a diagram better.
On other notes… this is going to make the end of the season VERY interesting.
Sylar will die. Everybody breathes a sigh of relief…
Peter explodes.
REAL Nathan becomes president. Sylar is still blamed for the explosion
REAL Nathan is much more compassionate to the Heroes than Sylar/Nathan was, since Sylar is completely nuts, and Nathan is merely powerhungry.
I thought that was an immensely cool twist. It only doesn’t anger me because the whole episode was more or less a hypothetical anyways.
But so what? While being a cool hypothetical rant, it still provided some story-consistent advancement and was a really cool story line.
I strongly suspect that there is no coherent time-travel theory or explanation that makes it all fit, particularly Claire being alive.
But that’s OK. Good times anyhow.
EXCEPT, that my stupid Comcast DVR CUT OFF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THE SHOW. Peter and Sylar lit their hands up, then we cut back to Ando saying “I believe you can do it!”, and then… nothing.
And it’s not up on NBC.com yet! Ack!
My biggest issue with the time travel deal is Peter should have Hiro’s powers. He’s an absolute badass in the future, and knows exactly where Sylar will be the night he tries to kill Claire. I think if he jumped back, he would have no trouble killing Sylar. Or does anyone know anything about Sylar’s childhood? All it takes is a location, and a 10 year old Sylar sans powers/with Atari will have a bit of trouble against a sword up in his skull.
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