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He definitely hasn’t been imitating Nathan for 5 years. He says in the final confrontation that when he killed Nathan that “he had already turned against his own kind”.
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That could have referred to the point in time that Nathan blamed Sylar for the blast. In which case Sylar might have killed Nathan soon after and taken control…
[QUOTE=simster]
Didn’t Nathan (or was it Sylar) specifically ask/remind Mohinder about “letting the bomb happen” ? I also took it that when he sent Mohinder to “take out” Hiro (prime) that he was doing it with the knowledge that Mohinder would let him live… I thought that was what the nod was all about…
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I took that nod to be “We were just talking about me being able to trust you. Here’s your chance to prove it.”
[QUOTE=BabaBooey]
All it takes is a location, and a 10 year old Sylar sans powers/with Atari will have a bit of trouble against a sword up in his skull.
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Exactly. What the hell is this “Let’s go back to some point after Sylar has almost all his powers and deliver a cryptic six word message (instead of handing over the comic book), instead of going back to the point where it is known that Sylar met with the first Dr. Suresh”?
And why didn’t anyone in Homeland Security happen to glance at the comic book, which would have told them that Mohinder was going to betray them?
Silliness abounds in this episode.
I think this is how it works.
Future Hiro thinks the exploding man in New York was Syler. He thinks Syler needs to be killed before he explodes. Based on what he knows, Syler can’t be killed if he eats Claire’s brain. So he goes back in time to get Peter to save the cheerleader. Because Claire remains alive, Syler can be killed, but he has not yet been killed, so he explodes and causes the future.
From future Hiro’s viewpoint, the main divergence is the killing of Syler, which he has made possible by having Peter save Claire. He now has to send past Hiro back to finish the job by killing Syler.
But it wasn’t Syler who exploded anyway, so that plan need a little adjusting.
[QUOTE=BabaBooey]
My biggest issue with the time travel deal is Peter should have Hiro’s powers. He’s an absolute badass in the future, and knows exactly where Sylar will be the night he tries to kill Claire. I think if he jumped back, he would have no trouble killing Sylar. Or does anyone know anything about Sylar’s childhood? All it takes is a location, and a 10 year old Sylar sans powers/with Atari will have a bit of trouble against a sword up in his skull.
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But you’re forgetting who’s doing the time travelling. Hiro is very careful not to mess with the fabric of space and time. All he wants to do is stop the bomb, nothing more, nothing less.
Anything else would change too much.
[QUOTE=Justin_Bailey]
But you’re forgetting who’s doing the time travelling. Hiro is very careful not to mess with the fabric of space and time. All he wants to do is stop the bomb, nothing more, nothing less.
Anything else would change too much.
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Stopping one of the most desctructive events in the course of the history isn’t changing too much?
And on what basis is Hiro careful not to mess with the “fabric of space and time”? He’s got no evidence that it is particularly harmful. He simply seems afraid that he can’t control where he’ll end up (but Future Hiro isn’t concerned about that, and seems well practiced with his skills).
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
And on what basis is Hiro careful not to mess with the “fabric of space and time”? He’s got no evidence that it is particularly harmful. He simply seems afraid that he can’t control where he’ll end up (but Future Hiro isn’t concerned about that, and seems well practiced with his skills).
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Well for one, he warned Peter about a problem with space and time on the subway.
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
Stopping one of the most desctructive events in the course of the history isn’t changing too much?
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And this is what I mean. He wants to change one event. Yes, it’s a big event. But in Hiro’s mind it is still just one thing.
[QUOTE=Sir Prize]
No. Claire was still alive in this future. He did save her. We saw the current future (so to speak) unless Hiro changes it.
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I agree with Otto. Claire survived, but not due to Peter.
I don’t care if there are inconsistencies. I am just blown away by the sheer artistic genius of how this show is being shot…total comic book from the larger than life look of the characters to the set design. And not in an overdone Batman way.
And I agree that Future Hiro and Future Peter are totally BADASS HAWT!!!
To expand on this, the reason Peter had to save Claire was to get her powers, not so much to prevent Sylar from getting her powers. Sylar failed to kill Claire (remember he got the wrong cheerleader), and without Peter around, somehow he fails to find the real Claire. That would be when Daddy hides Claire away. Another possibility is that, through Isaac is the future-past, they knew they had to save the cheerleader, but didn’t know it needed to be Peter. Isaac and HRG Bennet were working together, so once he feared for his daughter’s life, he might have set up the underground at that point.
As the epicenter of the explosion, Peter himself is not subjected to it (or maybe he’s more Nitro-like (from Marvel Comics)).
I haven’t spoilered anything because I haven’t read anything online. This is all my story, and I’m sticking with it until someone posts something better to tie it together.
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I was under the impression that Peter did save Claire, otherwise how did he heal from exploding?
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Claire’s power isn’t necessary in that specific case. Remember, the bomb power comes from Exploding Ted, who can’t heal, but who is immune to his own blasts/radiation. He’d have died of cancer along with his wife otherwise.
Here’s my theory.
Future Hiro and pals believed that Syler had cause the explosion. In fact, it was Peter who exploded and destroyed the city. Syler, who was disguised as Nathan at this point, helped spread the story that Syler caused the explosion and was killed in the process. Presumably only Syler and Peter know the truth. Syler must have found and killed Candice at some point and absorbed her illusion powers.
Claire was not killed by Syler, though everyone believes she was. Mr. Bennet did an admirably good job of hiding her and convincing everyone that she was dead. Therefore Syler never acquired her regeneration powers. When Claire was finally captured and brought to Nathan/Syler, he said something along the lines of “waited a long time for this” as he did the head-opening thing on her. Implying that he’d wanted her power for a while but never managed to get it.
Peter picks up the powers of anyone near him. Frequently when he first picks up a power he’ll start manifesting it uncontrollably and often without even realizing he’s doing so. He has only just learned to intentionally manifest powers, but hasn’t had any training in how to stop from manifesting new powers as soon as he acquires them.
Future Hiro claimed that he had stabbed Syler in an attempt to stop him from destroying the city, but that Syler then regenerated. But Syler didn’t have the regeneration power, nor was he the one who exploded and destroyed the city. Peter is the only one with the ability to both regenerate and explode that we know.
My theory is that Hiro never stabs Syler at all. Hiro stabs Peter who is unintentionally appearing to be Syler as a result of just having picked up Candice’s illusion power. Peter, who has had Claire’s regeneration power for some time, heals from the stab wound, and then soon after picks up Ted’s radiation powers and explodes. Hiro becomes convinced that he failed to stop Syler from destroying the city because Syler had killed Claire and taken her power, when in fact Syler was never the cause of the explosion.
Erroneously convinced that preventing Syler from killing Claire is the key to stopping the explosion, Future Hiro travels back and tells Peter to save Claire, thus insuring that Peter will pick up Claire’s power, survive being stabbed, and destroy the city. “Save the Cheerleader, Save the World” is in fact exactly the wrong advice, being based on false information about the actual cause of the explosion.
If my theory is true, then at this point everything is still exactly on course for the explosion. Peter is still in the city, having Claire’s regeneration power and quite likely to run into Candice and Ted in the near future. Hiro has been sent back with the firm instruction to find Syler and stab him. Linderman is still pulling strings to get Nathan elected. And Syler, having now taken Issac’s future-seeing power, knows exactly what he needs to do to take advantage of the situation.
Hey, that’s pretty good.
So, do Ando or now-Hiro know that it was Peter and not Sylar who exploded? I’m certain that they don’t know that Sylar was posing as Pres. Nathan, but can’t recall any time that Ando with future-Hiro was around while Peter was moping about having gone all explody.
Spoiler about the finale (doesn’t give away too much):
[spoiler]…Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) foresees a nuclear detonation in New York.
“Yes, absolutely,” Kring said. “That will be resolved in the first season.” As for the cliffhanger? “It’s not necessarily a cliffhanger in terms of what has been set up so far storywise,” he added. “It’s more of a cliffhanger as to the welfare and well-being of several of our characters. … Obviously it plays into where we kick off at the [beginning] of season two.” [/spoiler]
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=39818
[QUOTE=AndrewL]
<snip> Syler must have found and killed Candice at some point and absorbed her illusion powers.<snip>
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Really hard to hate Sylar for that one.
I like your theory BTW.
[QUOTE=AndrewL]
Here’s my theory.
Future Hiro and pals believed that Syler had cause the explosion…<snip>“Save the Cheerleader, Save the World” is in fact exactly the wrong advice, being based on false information about the actual cause of the explosion.
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Brilliant! Thank you for putting so much thought into this and explaining it - I agree, but was unable to quite put it into words as well as you have.
I also agree with those who said it was a great episode and they never saw the Sylar thing coming. I spent half the episode thinking “Christ, when did Nathan get so mean?” That now makes three times that stupid Candace’s cloaking power or whatever has had me completely duped; you’d think I’d catch on. :rolleyes:
I don’t get what negates Peter saving Claire? Because Bennet is now in contact with her? Why can’t what AdrewL said be true while the story line about the rescue in Texas also remains intact?
[QUOTE=guppy]
I don’t get what negates Peter saving Claire?
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The scar. If Peter saves Claire, he can regenerate, yet he gets the scar from somewhere. Only other explanation I can think of is that he is cut, then heals while being babysat by the Haitian. We already know that a large glass shard imbedded into his brain for presumably hours can be cured by a couple of Tylenol, so I’m not on board with ‘wounded too much to heal’.
[QUOTE=D_Odds]
The scar. If Peter saves Claire, he can regenerate, yet he gets the scar from somewhere. Only other explanation I can think of is that he is cut, then heals while being babysat by the Haitian. We already know that a large glass shard imbedded into his brain for presumably hours can be cured by a couple of Tylenol, so I’m not on board with ‘wounded too much to heal’.
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Ahhhh, now I get it. :smack:
Dangit, now I have to rethink everything.