God, get a room you two! Or better yet, start a new thread to bitch about each other instead of hijacking this one.
Sorry to be so late in responding to this pitting … all that masturbating because you’re talking about me and bondage just wears a guy out. 
Anyway, thanks for the defense, Edison. Some people have engaged in what can only be described as baiting posts wrt bondage and me. I haven’t been forbidden by the mods to respond to such posts, but as has already been pointed out, responding would constitute a bunch of thread hijacks, and would be fairly tiresome to me considering the frequency with which it has happened.
In any event, you need not worry about my feelings about such posts, like lissener I see them as evidence of loserdom on the part of the poster. I started my online posting on Usenet, before the Web existed. Totally unmoderated. I have developed a VERY thick skin wrt online conversations.
And for the record, I was asked to limit threads on the topic of bondage, and to limit “hijack” threads into bondage. So I have. Now if I had been asked to limit posts on politics, et.al., I would probably have quit the boards, since that’s the main reason I post here. But as bondage-related posts are in fact a small minority of my posts, I have had no problem dropping them.
I have been assured that it’s not the topic matter that’s behind this request, but I simply do not believe this. I think there are a certain number of posters on this board who are infuriated that anyone should talk about bondage in anything other than a pejorative manner. They are hypersensitive to any mention of bondage I make. It’s kind of like an allergic reaction, the least exposure makes 'em turn red and start posting nonsense, and they VASTLY overestimate the amount of irritant they have actually been subjected to.
I think it would be interesting to explore all this stuff, because to me all my posts on the topic seem innocuous (well, almost all of them). But I have agreed with the Mods not to start any threads on the topic until I clear it with them, as they fear a trainwreck – rightly so, I think. There are a lot of people who can’t discuss the topic without getting pissed off beyond all reason. I suspect that some of the ones who do those lame-ass bondage baiting posts in threads unrelated to bondage – they’re just so pissed off about the topic that they can’t post in response to something I’ve said without venting about the bondage. So I’m not in any hurry to start the thread in any event, but I’m not thnking the Dope is as into intellectual inquiry as they like to think they are.
Which is why constantly sniping on this shit is a bad idea. Hijacks the living fuck out of threads and everyone forgets what we were talking about to begin with. Hauling the thread back to the OP takes effort on the part of more than one poster, and by that time people lose interest, and the OP is probably pissed about his/her thread getting shit all over.
I agree that a lot of the poking is lame humor-wise, but I find it hard to summon much sympathy. I’m less familiar with lissener’s situation, but EC’s constant fixation on his sexual preferences was obnoxious long before the Mods finally stepped in. The nature of these things is that once the tide turns, you can’t go back again. When someone spends all that time and energy identifing themselves as a monomaniacs, they can’t very well suddenly expect everyone to forget about it at the drop of a hat.
If they really wanted to turn over a new leaf, they could change usernames. Keeping the username means keeping the self-made identity that comes with it.
Bah. That post was in response to Guin, incidentally.
See. Loser posts. But they do illustrate the huge ignorance about bondage that permeates this board. Look at the implied reasoning in both posts: If someone enjoys recreational bondage sex, they can’t possibly have any anti-sexist ideas, because of course your sexual fantasies exactly mirror your positions on political and social issues in the real world. :rolleyes:
I’m with the OP. The repeated baiting of Evil Captor and others gets on my nerves. It’s like Biff picking on McFly; pointless bullying. Yeah, they could fight back, but that just perpetuates it and lets the aggressors know that they’re getting the reaction they want. The problem is that some people never seem to get bored with trying to get a rise. A thread like this, that shows that EC does have some support, might reduce the amount of crap he gets. If nothing else, I guess it’ll give them new targets.
I came to that thread on Evil Captor way too late to poke my oar in, but I would have told them to lay the fuck off if it had been less than, what, seven pages or so? A bunch of my posts are about Japan, martial arts, SF, and anthropology-related things because those are my major interests. I probably bring up Japan a lot more often than EC brings up tying and whipping, yet no one has jumped on me for dragging Japan into everything. (And please don’t start doing so). Japan has been a major thing in my adult life, so I find myself relating a lot of things to my experience here.
A lot of the posts cited in that thread that did reference bondage were even related to the topic. Apparently, some people were ultra-sensitive to it and it bothered them to see even oblique references. Personally, I kind of noticed that he was into bondage from some of his CS or IMHO posts, but it took months for the meaning of his name to click because I mostly noticed him in GD. At first, I thought he was a pre-Golden-Age SF nut; Ming the Merciless and all that. I mean, hell, I’m not even much into bondage and I’ve bitched about how silly some of the portrayals of tied-up people are in movies.
I’ve only started two threads in CS in the last two weeks. The most recent was:
“Things I’ve learned about strip clubs from the movies and TV”
and my OP said, “If it weren’t for cops and serial killers, strip clubs wouldn’t have any customers.”
the other was
“Raunchiest surprises on non-premium channel TV”
and the one I cited in the OP was a scene from Special Unit 2 involving strippers, but no bondage in any way, shape or form.
A new obsession, obviously! Strippers!
But neither thread is related to bondage.
Feeling hypersensitive, Aesiron? If you’re huypersensitive to sexual stuff generally, you may be on the wrong message board.
I’d LOVE to see evidence that I’ve stepped up my BDSM and related topic posts since my pitting. 'Cause I know there isn’t any.
Having all these hypersensitive types constantly repeating stuff that isn’t true – and is easily verifiable as not being true – it’s like being Swift Boated. I sometimes wonder if the lies are deliberate, but I suspect it’s mostly thoughtless posting.
Problem with “letting shit go” is that no one notices when you do. Note my post count. Compare that to the topics I choose not to let go. Note that I’ve never addressed this particular topic before; I’ve only responded to posts regarding my trademark “hot” topics in threads in which they were relevant. This is a topic that I have always, in the past, chosen to “let go.” I only addressed it this time because I was mentioned in the OP, and because certain specific assumptions about me were being read as fact. Problem is, no matter how carefully I choose my battles, when I DO choose one, there’s always someone to come in and say, “lissener you should choose your battles.” Dude, you have no idea how many things I let go around here. Again, please note that I have never, since my return, risen to the Verhoeven troll bait that is constantly being oh so wittily tossed my way.
Your memory is kinda correct. A bunch of posters on another MB – an SDMB snark board, if I recall correctly – started venting about my bondage posts and soon got someone to post a pit of my bondage posts. But that got the mods to talking and thinking (always a bad thing) and I have been forbidden to start threads or hijacks on the topic.
Guin, you got your stupid pills mixed in with your vitamins again. This is a thread about people baiting Evil Captor and me with childish flamebait. Otto has been specifically accused of this. What part of this is a hijack?
Again, this is why this is the only time I’ve ever addressed it, because this is the only time it hasn’t been a hijack to do so.
See, again, not paying attention. Zero distress; mild annoyance at the lameness of you was the sum total. Not the VIP you think you are dude.
OK? S’all I’m sayin.
Thanks, but I’m not a top, a bottom, a sadist or a masochist. I like tying women up. I don’t have any interest in hurting them. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve watched a “bondage” video and found my eyes glazing over with boredom because all they did was whip, spank and cane the bondagee. Boh-ring. I suppose I could bring myself to spank a bondagee who liked that, but it would be for her pleasure, not mine.
Yeah, but I’m not gettig what you mean by “OK?”.
To be fair, this is dismissive bullshit. It’s perfectly possible for someone to feel negatively about the conflation of sex and violence without being “beyond all reason.” Having achieved a state where you see the world through porn colored glasses does not necessarily make you an enlightened philosopher; a freer thinker than the snarling prudes who surround you. DeSade had some pretty serious delusions of grandeur too, bub.
Disagreement does not constitute backwardness. People can have perfectly valid reasons for being uncomfortable with a romanticization of dehumanization that have nothing whatsoever to do with repression. You need to understand that simply because you have embraced your sexual fictions as a philosophy of life does not make you any more privy to the “truth” or to some kind of holiness of physical sexuality.
It’s perfectly valid for someone to object to a glorifying of humiliation and an eroticizing of violence. And it’s perfectly valid for them to see it that way even if you do not. This is not necessarily a sign of irrationality. And it’s perfectly reasonable for them to expect you to limit your sharing of such imagery to people who are receptive to it. Dropping such emotionally loaded bombs into random threads is as rude as blowing cigar smoke in someone’s face, and I think it’s perfectly proper and not unduly censorious for the mods to enforce such a standard.
Sorry for the hijack.
Where were we? Oh yes. Otto is a tool. Saying it was “all in fun” or “just kidding” is dishonest passive aggressive bullshit. “You’re mom is a ho. Just kidding!” This kind of thing really gets on my nerves. A lot of people use that as a bullshit get-out-of-jail-free card, so they can poke someone with a stick by deny responsibility.
Rule of thumb: if you have to say, “just kidding!” you’re probly not.
Reread your quote of my post; it was stated as opinion, not fact. It seems you’ve stepped it up to me but I am perfectly willing to accept that I may be or am wrong. It’s hardly an uncommon occurrence.
Without accepting the stuff about “conflation about sex and violence,” yes, it’s possible to disagree, but the posts I’m talking about contain a lot of anger. It’s hard to communicate with people when they’re angry, especially if they don’t understand that which they’re angry about.
Now look who’s dealing the dismissive bullshit. “Porn colored glasses,” indeed. Try responding to my actual arguments.
Should read: People can have perfectly valid reasons for being uncomfortable with what they feel is a romanticization of dehumanization that have nothing whatsoever to do with repression.
I have done no such thing. Go back and read my post from 12:34 a.m.
Once again, where are you getting this stuff? Have I been that sloppy in communicating? Let me see if I can put this directly: I do not believe that sexual impulses and feelings come from the rational part of the brain. I do not think they can, or have to, make sense or be consistent with one’s personal, political or religious beliefs, which are at least PARTIALLY a product of the rational part of the brain … most of the time. What one has to do, WHATEVER one’s sexual fantasies, orientation, etc., is not let them lead one to treat others badly. (I mean, really badly, not the pretend stuff of sexual fantasies). Think safe, sane and consensual. Also, I believe that most depictions of sexuality, from mainstream dramas to porn, are fictions, and sane adults are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and fiction, and responding to them appropriately. So it’s okay to enjoy them, even if they aren’t rational. Note, for example, all the people who read murder mysteries without going on to murder anyone.
I do think BDSM makes many people uncomfortable because the dominance and submission aspects leak over into their social lives in ways that can be uncomfortable or very comfortable, depending. Thinking frankly about how dominance and submission behavior affects human social interaction – in business life, in relations between the sexes – is a radically subversive act.
Should read (bolded material is mine - EC)
It’s not their ideas, it’s the anger with which they express them that leads me to believe that there’s not much of a chance of a rational discussion here. They seem to believe that accusing me of being interested in bondage is all that’s needed to win an argument. And perhaps it is, to them.
Your message implies that no one other than me on the Dope enjoys my posts on bondage-related topics. In the initial pitting, there were a few people who said they enjoyed them. Many more who said they could care less. Are the opinions of those who don’t like them the only ones that matter? Is this a majority rules thing? It has been my experience that you can’t get people to talk about that which they do not wish to talk about on a public message board. If the topic does not interest them, they ignore it. I have seen a lot of my threads drop out of sight with just 2 or 3 responses. Not typically the ones about bondage.
Ah, the nuclear option.
Not a hijack, really, there’s a certain relevance to the OP’s topic.
You know EC, it seems like the only way you’d give someone permission to disagree with you, and to not want to be confronted with your fantasies around every corner, is if they can succeed in changing your mind; in making you agree with their opinion. This is not required for a diversity of opinion. People can disagree with you without being insane, or irrational, or even necessarily prudes. Having an aversion to the sexualization of violence is not the same thing as having an aversion to sex. You need to dial down your monomania a bit, dude; the universe is not set to your standards.