Sorry for the doublepost, but I really want to emphasize this–
–because, all due respect, that’s the strawman you’re holding up; that’s the sum total of your position, fromw where I’m sitting. Seriously. Please think about that.
You’ve also taken the position that this sexual freedom you’ve embraced is morally superior to the sexual repression you see as its only counterpart, and this sense of moral superiority you labor under gives you the right, you seem to think, to rub people’s noses in this stuff, for their own good. For the sake of their unexamined issues, etc.
Seriously, please think about that.
This is an extremely offensive kind of arrogance–offensive not in the sexual nature but in the level of arrogance–that your “way” is so superior that you have a right to force it on others.
It’s perfectly possible for someone to have reached an entirely different understanding of their sexuality and have it be 180 degrees different from yours, but still be entirely rational and non-prudish.
Focus on this “anger” strawman you’ve built if you must; it’s skirting the issue. I’m not angered by the searing psychological laserbeam of your sexual freedom piercing my sexual prudishness. I’m angered by your arrogance in presuming that.
Your writing the anger you sense off to unexamined prudishness is blind martyrdom and arrogance, and is preventing you from understanding the real nature of the anger some of us feel. It’s your sexual imperialism. People aren’t annoyed by Jack Chick because he’s a Christian. They’re annoyed because he’s a fanatic who only sees the world one way and is convinced that everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. You, sir, are the Jack Chick of BDSM.
That still doesn’t answer my goddam stalactite question, does it? No, it doesn’t.
I think you really owe the good Ensign a thank-you. Not only did (s)he stick up for you, but you now have a venue that is not of your own creation in which to fwap away frantically under the guise of just setting the record straight. Fucking brilliant. As an added bonus lissener is doing… well whatever it is he does. I can’t be arsed to read his posts anymore.
This is silly. If EC ever did that, which I disagree he did, he’s certainly not doing it here. You’re doing one of the things I was bitching about - you’re claiming a ‘get out of discussion’ free card. ‘I don’t have to talk to you, because everybody knows you’re just a sick freak’.
I disagree with some of what lissener is saying, which I’ll get into in a bit, but at least he’s taking the time and effort to actually formulate an argument. And as for how he needs to “let things go” more often, he can be relentless, yes, and every now and then one of his private dances sweeps everybody else off the dancefloor, but personally, I think it’d be more boring aroud here if he stopped nevertheless.
The disgust here? I do not get. I don’t understand it.
First of all, I’ve never gotten the impression that Evil Captor was literally or figuratively getting off on anyone’s responses to anything he posted. I’ve NEVER gotten that impression. I’m forced to speculate that it’s some sort of mass projection or something because it simply never occurred to me to even imagine that it was happening. And that’s beside the fact that I’m pretty sure implying that another poster is getting actual jollies in real-time from a thread isn’t allowed.
As for the implication that the mere mention of bondage is damaging to someone with “issues” on the subject, all I can say is that in a mass conversation, your issues are your problem. I’m sorry you have undergone something that gives you issues on this subject, but non-inappropriate mention of the subject in passing is, well, normal conversation. And EC, as has been noted, has been bringing up the subject far less often than other people have been trying to draw him into it in inappropriate threads.
In other words, get over your frickin’ selves! I could see all the buzz over EC and his personal fetish if this were the Barney Boards or something, but we’re all adults, and the conversation in several fora, while not approaching Penthouse Letters, is far from G-Rated. Singling EC out speaks much more about the singler-out than it does about EC.
If I have to use google myself, what good is the dope anyway?
Where exactly have I called EC a sick freak? I’ve suggested he’s predictable. Tedious. I’ve said that if you let yourself become that way, you’ll be mocked, and no amount of indignation is going to fix the problem. I do not, however, judge him based on his sexual inclinations.
The words sick freak do not appear in your posts, but were hyperbole on my part. However, here you don’t seem to be saying ‘tedious’ and ‘predictable’ but indeed ‘perverted/wrong’. You’re repeating the unsubstantiated claim that he uses all mentions of bondage around here as pornography. Those who think he is doing that find it to be sick and freaky. For me to conclude that you share both opinions, that he’s doing it and that it’s wrong, based on your statement above, is perfectly valid.
I wasn’t speaking of your opinion of BDSM in general, which I don’t know.
I applaud you for the last, because I have seen deliberates attempts to suck you into the Verhoeven debates that I would have called trolling.
I think in this thread where you were getting a lot of support it would have been wiser to sit back and enjoy rather than getting in pissing contest with Otto and to a lesser degree EC.
If you disagree, that is fine, it is just the opinion of a stranger after all.
Yeah, I don’t know where I’d get the idea the incessant mentioning of any sexual predilection, from fondness to redheads, to balloon fetishes, might be a sign of more than academic interest. Hell, incessant mention of anything will get annoying, but the jokes are different for an Englebert Humperdinck fixation. Well, maybe.
Prove that it is “incessant”. If you can do so even in the face of EC’s direct order to cease from the mods, and subsequent compliance, I’ll be impressed. The joke is dead, man! Let it die!
Funny how it’s always the folks getting spanked who cry “Junior Mod” the loudest.
As for the “incessant mention gets annoying”, are you squicked out and annoyed by the near-constant gay-poster flirting when the thread allows too, and just too much of a coward to call us out for it because we have more obvious numbers than the bondage crowd does?
I would like to second this entire post. I’ve never noticed an undue amount of bondage-talk coming out of EC. When everyone started complaning about it, I looked for it, but I still don’t see it. Yes, he sometimes mentions a girl tied to a bed, but in the same casual way that people say they like to watch a girl with her shirt off or Hugh Jackson in tight pants. The fact that he likes to see Sheryl Lee tied naked to a bed doesn’t register as anything unusual to me; after all, who wouldn’t?
I’m a top. I’ll do the spanking from now on, thanks.
I have, on the occasions I’ve run across it, taken exception to other apparent fixations, including plain vanilla heterosexual fixations, for exactly the same reasons. In fact, I don’t consider BDSM all that dark. It ain’t the subject matter.
Gay flirting? I haven’t seen it all that often. It’s non-sequitur unless you are referring to an individual who seems to do nothing but.
I occasionally get “squicked” out by both what you described and EC’s Bondage posts, but I won’t complain because this is my problem and not yours. At worst I will unsubscribe to a thread. Hurts no one.
Nothing wrong with getting squicked out by what others enjoyed, but there is also no reason to complain about it. I think pre-warning I can recall a few EC interjecting his interests into what to me seemed inappropriate threads, but I have not seen him do so since.
Seriously. And even forget us queers - how about the straight folks? Whenever this comes up I get an urge to come back with links from a random sampling of threads in which straight folks make reference to their sexuality.
That said, EC shouldn’t talk about how rape scenes on TV are exciting for him. That’s the one thing I’ve always agreed with - sorry dude. I believe you’re harmless, but it’s valid for people to complain about that. Otherwise, it’s no different from accolades given to Scarlett Johansen’s breasts or Hugh Jackman’s pants, as The Weird One says.
Prove a subjective statement… an adjective no less? If it’s important to you, than you prove that it is not. Until then, let’s just consider it the informed opinion of several people in this thread.
No. It is pretty much the definition of an ignorant opinion. EC very plainly does not do what you are accusing him of. He stopped doing anything that could be even mistaken for what you are accusing him of months ago when asked to stop. There’s no way anybody could “subjectively” say that something which doesn’t happen - or at very most has happened once in a few months - is “incessant”.
Hey, I don’t follow him around and note when he [allegedly] stopped the one-trick pony road show. Has he really stopped? I don’t get that impression, but let’s agree that I don’t really know. The fact is that once you get labeled as monomaniac, the jokes don’t stop for a long time. Your thread isn’t going to change that.
EC took this opportunity to get in his licks on the word BONDAGE, thanks to the OP’s acknowledgment. He jumped on it like Dick Cheney on buckshot. He didn’t technically hijack; he just expounded on when people are uncomfortable when he talks about BONDAGE and said the same thing 10 different ways, being sure to include BONDAGE one or two times per sentence. LOLs all around!
In the meantime we have several dopers who are famous for snapping at the bait who are…well, snapping at each other’s bait! Who needs the Oscars when you get all the drama you want RIGHT HERE at the SDMB!