+1
and the OP who feels the need to pit Bernie at this point, go to hell.
I’m glad to see all of the acrimony from the last Democratic presidential primary has been put behind us.
I want him to specifically say that Russian efforts to raise his profile and rally his supporters are unwelcome, whether they happened during his campaign or after it was over. He doesn’t seem to understand that he has nothing to defend himself from here. The Mueller indictment does not accuse him of anything, and yet he seems to resent the fact that it mentions him at all. It’s not a good look for him. It kinda reminds me of somebody else.
Nice. You’re pretending I said that Bernie blames Clinton for Russian interference, which makes me look stupid, and draws attention away from this, which he actually did say, quoted in the article:
What was the purpose of this? Why is that “the real question to be asked?” Lock Her Up much?
Okay, fine, there’s a meaningful difference, I concede this point.
If you don’t think that what he said meets your expectations, I don’t know what to tell you.
And you did say “There was no need to blame the Clinton campaign for anything”. So you didn’t explicitly agree with the OP’s cited article that Sanders “blamed Clinton for Russian interference”, but I thought it was a reasonable inference from that that you did agree with it. Apologies if I was mistaken.
I’m not sure what to make of his “real question” comment, or on what grounds he claims that the Clinton camp had more information about the Russian interference than he did. I suppose this could be construed as blaming the Clinton campaign for not having more effectively addressed the Russian interference, which is hugely different from blaming them for the interference itself.
It wasn’t the most artfully phrased thing he could have said, but I don’t think it comes close to justifying the OP’s tantrum.
I don’t see how anything along the lines of “but Hillary” was necessary, and bringing her up just serves to reopen the wounds that we really need to let heal up if we want any chance to beat Trump and the GOP in 2018 and 2020. It’s not helpful and seems to be the kind of thing a child would do, attempt to deflect the attention to someone else. Especially unnecessary since he wasn’t even being accused of anything. Why do you think he threw in the “but Hillary” remark? Do you think it was a helpful thing to do?
Not sure if you’re addressing me, Airbeck, but, no, I agree that it seems unhelpful and I would have preferred he just leave that bit out. So if your standard of purity is “I will never vote for any politician who has ever said anything in his or her life that wasn’t directly on point during an interview”, then the OP’s reaction is entirely justified and not…well, not the sort of thing a child would do. Not sure who you’re going to be able to vote for, though.
Also, I’m basing my judgment of Sanders’ statement on it being quoted out of context in a sleazy, biased hit piece. It might well be that it would make more sense in context.
I’m not defending the OP, but I do think that he should not have made the “but Hillary” remark since the point of the whole thing is that the Russian trolls were trying to exacerbate the fissure between Bernie and Hillary supporters. So why continue the Russian trolls’ work for them. I would have definitely voted for Bernie had he won the nomination, and I will certainly vote for him if he ends up being the nominee in 2020. He really needs to let the Hillary thing go though. We need to be united going into 2018 and 2020. Someone trying to be a leader for us all should know that and act accordingly.
I was for Bernie, but he lost. He is trying to “clarify” or walk back his statements now, but they were uncalled for to begin with.
*“I would say that the real question to be asked was, what was the Clinton campaign [doing]? They had more information about this than we did, and at this point we were working with them.”
“I did not know Russian bots were promoting my campaign.” … The real question to be asked is why the Clinton campaign didn’t do something"*
… blaming Clinton, who was the main victim of the Russian meddling.
So ummm yeah.
I was posting with my phone. Sorry that I didn’t feel like fucking around with making a link. Here’s a link since you like them so much.
I agree. It sure would be nice if Bernie didn’t rekindle his animosity towards the woman who beat him by several million votes and whose inaction and sometimes direct action assisted her opponent in the general election. You should tell him to stop doing that.
I am sorry that you are unable to either click links or understand the language on the links. What do *you *think he’s saying with this direct quote:
You contradict yourself, Bro. Much like the rest of the bros and Bernie himself. Because there is a huge list of things that Bernie has done or said or not done that have done nothing but help Trump up to and including these comments that prompted my thread. Yet you continue to lick at the anus of your god. Well, bros gotta bro I guess.
Bro.
He still won’t fuck you.
Donald Trump appreciates your compliance, comrade.
Bernie’s direct quotes might have something to do with it continuing. You should bring it up with him.
I’m terrified he’s going to run in 2020 as an independent, split the democratic/liberal ticket and we’ll end up with 4 more years of… Republicans. However, I have reason to hope much will change between now and 2020.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you. He really shouldn’t have brought up the “but Hillary” thing. Not helpful.
I was just commenting on the tone of the thread up to that point reminding me of the campaign all over again, was being sarcastic.
I like Senator Bernie Sanders very much and in another year, I would have been fine with an insurgency candidacy. The problem was that too many people mistook an insurgency candidacy as a real candidacy for president, and it just wasn’t. A real presidential candidate can’t just run on “I’m going to disrupt the system” - I mean sure, he can, and a lot of people will vote for that guy, but that guy would be a shitty general candidate and, if by chance elected, an infinitely shittier president - and saying he’d be better than Trump is stepping over a very, very low bar.
The other problem with Sanders is that his populism cast doubt on what was the lesser of two evils. No of course I don’t blame all of Hillary Clinton’s failures on Bernie Sanders or his supporters, but they were a factor in Trump’s success on election night. For those who were cynical about the system, he appeared credible and he enabled others to help discredit Clinton…who admittedly was a flawed candidate but wasn’t this monster that everyone made her out to be.
All of that being said, I have to confess that it’s hard to imagine how she would have been effective at governing knowing that the Russians would have thrown their right wing propaganda machine into overdrive and the right wing in this country would have sided with a foreign adversary over our own elected president. That’s something I didn’t quite see coming on November 8th, 2016 and nobody can blame the Bern for right wing treason.
For fucks sake, you might as well be calling him a cuck or a snowflake. I used to wonder why uninformed idiots claim to see no difference between the left and the right, or between Democrat and Republican. This stupid namecalling shit is a big part of it. Grow the fuck up.
I think it would be worse if the Democrats let him run as one again, but I might very well be wrong. I’m done with him regardless. If it came down to a vote between him and Trump I would have to vote for him. And unlike way too many Bernie Bros, I’d do what I could to stop Trump. But man, would I hate it.
I also don’t think it will get nearly that far and he’d never get my vote as an independent, so… I’ll worry about that probably never.