Even though I do respect Hillary Clinton’s intellect, I don’t have any respect for her as a person. It started when her scumbag husband was doing the intern in the White House, and when she found out she supported him because it was the right thing to do politically. NOW she’s “telling the truth” and beginning to separate herself from him because she plans to pave the way for a run up to the presidential nomination. Very conniving. I say a moral and ethic person would not marry or stay with someone like Bill Clinton. Their sensitivities would be too outraged. So, the only valid conclusion is that she is just like him. It’s not like she was an abused wife and depended on him; no, she grabbed on to hopefully ensure her own political future and kept hanging on despite compromising herself. I never thought in a million years when she ran in NY that she would be elected; I laughed. Now it’s getting scary. After Bush finishes turning our country into a police state, her particular brand of immorality and lack of ethics will flourish.
So,
You don’t believe in forgivness?
If your SO screws up you dump him/her?
Jesus hung out with a prostitute. His sensitivites were not too outraged.
I find a blow job here or there is better than making up lies to invade a country for the sake of ideology. Nearly every politician is an egotistical sell-out. You are suprised that she is one too?
I personally know several couples who have a more or less open marriage. From knowing them I see a whole lot of evidence that Bill & Hillary have a similar arrangement. Of course they don’t publicize it because that would be political death but I doubt that Hillary was suprised at all about the ML “scandal”.
[/Captain Renault] I’m shocked … shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [Captain Renault]
I don’t know if I’d call her devious but she certainly has an agenda.
The release of this book has “politics” written all over it. It saddens me that she believes it necessary to rehash the Clinton Whitehouse days to further her political career. I would have rather she published a book about the basis of her political views rather than how she “felt” when Bill admitted his impropriety with Monica. Hell, he hadn’t been faithful to her several times before that so I find it hard to believe she was “standing by her man” until he actually admitted his impropriety with Monica.
I’d agree there. I voted for him for President, and I’d vote for her, too.
Heck, I would too, if only to drive folks like december and Bill O’Reilly absolutely batty if she won. Polls show her popular among women, which is a big chunk of the population. I think alot of women see her as strong and independant (which might have been helped a bit more if she dumped Bill, but we’ll never know). I think alot of men see her as devious because she is calculating and strong. Traits they don’t mind in men.
Then again, he wasn’t too keen on those who betrayed his trust.
“Devious”? No, I don’t think so. A realist, yes.
Given her druthers, I think Hillary would LIKE to run for office as a dignified, intelligent woman. But she’s found, to her chagrin, that people don’t LIKE her as a dignified, intelligent woman. THAT Hillary comes across as cold, and people don’t like that. For some reason, many people found it much easier to like her when they perceived her as a passive victim of a cheating husband.
Moreover, as it now stands, the Clintons are far from rich. As a practical matter, she needed the money she was advanced for her autobiography, and she needed to provide just enough salacious facts to make the book a best seller.
To sell a book, and to sell herself (in future elections), I think Hillary felt compelled to do something shed’ much rather NOT do: wallow in the Lewinsky scandal and paint herself as a poor little wifey whose man done her wrong.
It’s a shame, but dignity doesn’t sell well in 2003.
Oh, god, so would I. Hee hee hee! Just cause it’d drive some right-wingers absolutely friggin’ batshit.
How do you reach that conclusion?
Perhaps she is a highly moral and ethical person, and she takes her marriage vows very seriously. I wasn’t present at the Clintons’ wedding, but I expect it was the typical “…'til death do us part…” vow. There was unlikely to be an escape clause that said, “…unless he cheats on me.” Indeed, couples have survived infidelity and stayed together many times. On what basis do you conclude that Mrs. Clinton’s decisions were opportunistic, and not the result of a commitment to the vow she took when she married?
The person I feel sorry for the most in the whole mess was Chelsea. She was raked over the coals, her looks made fun of at 13-called a dog by Rush Limbaugh, etc.
You mean like the Apostle Peter?
She’s published an autobiography. What’s the surprise? That it contains very personal revelations? That it has a response to a MAJOR event in her life? Regardless of whatever arrangement they may have, or how honest her response is, wouldn’t is seem just a trifle weird if she’d ignored the issue? Her husband cheated on her, and it turned into the biggest political scandal (minus the 2000 election) in modern history. She couldn’t very well pretend it didn’t happen.
Also, she’s a liar. 
Not that dignified, intelligent women typically get rewarded in American politics.
You obviously forget that she’s a Democrat and NY is a Democrat state. Bobby Kennedy did the same thing.
Unfortunately, the sort of judgment and moral outrage displayed in the OP is already flourishing.
Okay, this isn’t Great Debates, but it just bugs me enough that I have to ask… cite?
I mean, Bill Clinton’s weakness for “bimbos” has been an open secret even before he ran for the Presidency. Hillary would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to have not noticed it before Monica Lewinsky popped into the picture, and since Hillary has five working senses, I imagine this isn’t the case.
IMO, Hillary probably sees Bill’s “women weakness” as one of those imperfections that a spouse has to tolerate from time to time, such as a wife whose husband gets obnoxiously boorish if he’s had too much to drink. Just because you (apparently) find it inexcusable doesn’t mean she has to.
I found Hilarie’s performance to be hilarious! Surely, by the time Bill got to be president, she had accepted her lecherous husband’s lack of character. She was no slouch either…in between crooked business deals (Whitewater, castle Grande, Madison Savings & Loan), and being legal counsel to such scumbag clients as Tyson Chicken, she was pretty dirty, even in the mid-1980’s. So making a deal to ignore Bill’s human failings was not out of line…after all, getting to be co-ppresident is pretty good, even if you have to have an affair with the late Vince Foster to ease the pain!
Yup, him and Judas. One hanged himself, and of course you know Jesus had to know about that, the whole omniscient thing. The other was crucified upside down, not a pleasant way to die. Maybe without the betrayal he would’ve given them some kind of warning, like “Hey Pete, when you get done with the church founding thing, make sure you get out of Rome before the end of March, don’t ask why just do it.”
And don’t forget, ralph124c, she also had her hands full slaughtering fluffy little bunnies, and snatching toys away from little babies.
ralph124c? Near as I can tell the Whitewater deal, while perhaps not intelligent, NEVER resulted in one thing that led to an obvious breaking of the law by either Clinton - Republican insiders have more or less said, IIRC, that they funded the investigation simply to keep pressure on the Clintons and knew there was nothing there. It turned up MLewinsky, but that was a tangent.
Hilary Clinton, like her or not, is a realist politician who is able to play into a public relations campaign. If now is the right time to publish an autobiography to keep her in the public eye and position her towards further political ambitions, then so be it, in her eyes. It is the way the game is played.
How is that any different from W. dressing up in a pilot’s uniform to land on a friggin’ aircraft carrier to announce the end of our aggression in Iraq - thereby making it the Mother of All PR and Campaign Positioning Moments???
Again - it is the way the game is played. Your supporters love and appreciate it, and your detractors use it to point out everything that is wrong about you.
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Wordman: I realize that politics is a PR game. But, you have to admit it, the Clintons brought it to a new low! You are right in saying that WHITEWATER was a complex business deal, in which HRC covered her tracks well. However, if you read between the lines, the whole thing was crooked as hell:
-Bill put pressure on a state engineer to approve defective septic systems (to make the houselots buildable)
-HRC wrote up the purchase contracts-knowing that the often-illiterate purchasers would never read the fine print (which stated that the purchasers wouldlose ALL EQUITY if they missed a SINGLE payment! There is such a thing as basic honesty in contracts-that wasn’t her forte!
-finally, the whole thing went bust, costing us (the taxpayers) a huge amount ofmoney when MS&L went bankrupt.
An honest person wouldhave acknowledged the errors-and tried to make even a token restitution. NOt with the Clintons! They brazenly insist that:
-it wasn’t their fault
-everybody was doing it!
It is just this smugness that makes the Cl;intons insufferable!