[QUOTE=Revtim]
What’s interesting to me is how Hillary is being lambasted by those who I suspect would have enthusiastically supported her if she had blown out Obama early in the race.
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Which is only natural in this primary season, since she’s getting some support in the primary from people who would absolutely freak out if she won the general election. I’d pay to see that. 
I don’t have too huge a problem with her, but I must admit I was very disappointed when she interrupted debate proceedings to bitch and moan about how she always has to go first and this is evidence of some kind of Obama conspiracy in the media. It may very well be the case that the media is biased, or that she’s suffered consistently at the hands of misogynists in her struggle for candidacy, but nevertheless, to mention it during a primary debate is incredibly unprofessional. It’s like walking into a job interview and whining that your parking space was further away from the building than anyone else’s.
[QUOTE=Revtim]
What’s interesting to me is how Hillary is being lambasted by those who I suspect would have enthusiastically supported her if she had blown out Obama early in the race.
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Speaking for myself, you are accurate. I always kinda liked Bill and have had no biases against Hillary starting the whole thing. I had fallen head-over-heels for Obama but was just starting to warm up to Hillary when she started pulling that whiny bullshit. I think having to struggle against Obama has brought out the worst in her. I would still vote for her in September though, if Obama isn’t nominated.
[QUOTE=Revtim]
What’s interesting to me is how Hillary is being lambasted by those who I suspect would have enthusiastically supported her if she had blown out Obama early in the race.
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Had Hillary blown out Obama early in the race, she wouldn’t be acting like this. Yet.
[QUOTE=rowrrbazzle]
…but he won’t wear a flag pin or hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.
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[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
If that stuff genuinely bothers you, I think you may not be ready for full-fledged participatory democracy.
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Yeah but…
The problem is context. We don’t live in a high-context culture, but we do live in one where that type of activity can change minds that are otherwise uninterested in, or unwilling to be, a part of the political process. The fact is that Americans, specifically the people that Barack is trying to appeal to, DO wear flag pins and put their hands on their hearts during the National Anthem. If the guy that wants their vote doesn’t do that same thing, that may, as silly as it seems, sway them.
With this latest round of slack-jawed loose cannon-ery from those surrounding Obama, he may just lose his momentum. People aren’t going to put up with the kind of rhetoric that spews forth from the racist maw(s) of the Reverend Wright, or Jimmy Meeks for that matter. And not that the media would report this, but Reverend Wright was a part of the Clinton White House too on a couple of occasions, which, I suspect, is why Hill is keeping her shrill trap shut about this whole mess.
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi]
If she wins, I got the theme song for the inganuration
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Inganuration can be cured with a simple surgical procedure.
As for theme songs suitable for the '08 campaign, none can beat the Bonzo Dog Band’s “No Matter Who You Vote For (The Government Always Gets In)”
*See them in the public eye
Oozing oily charm
Hear them all personify
Down on Animal Farm oink oink moooo!!
Dog eat dog, not cock and bull
Isms are the game
Ism this and ism that
Ism it a shame?
Heigh ho!
Don’t worry
Nobody can win
(Heigh ho! Heigh ho!)
No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in*
Catchy tune also.
[QUOTE=Harborwolf]
But it could be argued that she is only a serious candidate due to her husband.
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“Could be argued?” How could that not be argued? She wouldn’t have any significant national profile if she wasn’t a former First Lady, and if she didn’t have that, nobody would have asked her to run for the Senate. She may have had the talent and intelligence to do get to this point on her own, but at least until 2001, she didn’t do any of it on her own.
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th]
I think having to struggle against Obama has brought out the worst in her.
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A good thing, too, I think. Better to find out how she acts under pressure now than in the general or after.
[QUOTE=RickJay]
Based on the poster in question, no, I really don’t think so.
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Think so.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
“Could be argued?” How could that not be argued? She wouldn’t have any significant national profile if she wasn’t a former First Lady, and if she didn’t have that, nobody would have asked her to run for the Senate. She may have had the talent and intelligence to do get to this point on her own, but at least until 2001, she didn’t do any of it on her own.
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She was a Congressional staff attorney before meeting Bill; she was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal for 3 straight years, while Bill was teaching at the University of Arkansas, losing a Congressional race, and eventually being elected state AG.
Remember, she gave up a good deal of her own political future when she moved to AR to marry ol’ Bill; she was a rising star in Washington, but obviously her opportunities were severely limited in Arkansas.
[QUOTE=rowrrbazzle]
but he won’t wear a flag pin or hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.
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I don’t know about the flag Pin, but wasn’t the “hand on the heart” thing properly debunked as propaganda?
[QUOTE=NurseCarmen]
I’m pretty sure that at some point it will come out that she gave Bill Clinton a blowjob.
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The oddsmakers in Vegas are betting against it…
[QUOTE=Belowjob2.0]
Which is…
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Bikini Inspector.
[QUOTE=Otto]
Bikini Inspector.
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Never thought it was a big enough island to warrant its own inspector…
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves]
RickJay, apparently you don’t know Stoid’s day job.
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I wasn’t referring to Stoid. Yes, I know her job. I still remember the job ad thread.
[QUOTE=Revtim]
What’s interesting to me is how Hillary is being lambasted by those who I suspect would have enthusiastically supported her if she had blown out Obama early in the race.
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In my case you’d be wrong. I’m pretty sure since the day after the election in 2004 I’ve been saying that running Clinton would be just as bad as running Kerry. She comes prepackaged with antipathy and animosity that other candidates would need the whole of the election season to build. I still haven’t seen this point adequately addressed by any of Clinton’s hard core supporters. While I have no problems believing she’d get the hard core democrat vote, didn’t 2004 demonstrate that we need them plus some fence sitters?
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
She was a Congressional staff attorney before meeting Bill; she was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal for 3 straight years, while Bill was teaching at the University of Arkansas, losing a Congressional race, and eventually being elected state AG.
Remember, she gave up a good deal of her own political future when she moved to AR to marry ol’ Bill
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There must be a kabillion promising, respected and/or influential attorneys in the U.S.. Extremely few of them have any political future to speak of, unless they have 1) natural political talents and energy (typically starting their political run at the bottom of the ladder, unless they gain public attention through some prominent role (think Richard Nixon, for example)), 2) a large amount of personal wealth to speed up the process, or 3) can share in the spotlight of someone more important.
Hillary Clinton has been extraordinarily blessed with #s 2 and 3. It’s questionable how much “poitical future” she gave up moving to Arkansas with Bill.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
She was a Congressional staff attorney before meeting Bill; she was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal for 3 straight years, while Bill was teaching at the University of Arkansas, losing a Congressional race, and eventually being elected state AG.
Remember, she gave up a good deal of her own political future when she moved to AR to marry ol’ Bill; she was a rising star in Washington, but obviously her opportunities were severely limited in Arkansas.
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I disagree with her on plenty of things, but she is very smart, works very hard and would be an impressive candidate for almost any office. While she may have had the talent to do this on her own, I stand by what I said: it’s inarguable that she didn’t get to this point on her own. Maybe she’d have a national profile, I could be wrong about that.
[QUOTE=Belowjob2.0]
Which is…
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According to her profile, and comments in some old threads, she “sells vintage smut.”
[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
There must be a kabillion promising, respected and/or influential attorneys in the U.S.. Extremely few of them have any political future to speak of…
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Most of them have little to no interest in politics. Truly successful lawyers can make more money than politicians, with a great deal less risk.
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim]
Will she fuck me for my vote?
Ok, I’m desperate.
I’m pretty sure Bill would, but I’m not THAT desperate.
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I am pretty sure Bill wont. That explains the walking humidor.