What I’m seeing so far this morning (on my admitedly biased Facebook feed, because Facebook does such an excellent job of biasing it on my behalf - nevermind that I’m Friended to actual Republicans, I still don’t see many of their posts) is a bunch of, “Geez, she must be healthy as a horse to have been keeping up this schedule with pneumonia!”
Which is great. I happen to agree. Let’s get that spin out.
I’m hoping she plays this intelligently, openly, and reasonably. Definitely step back from the full press campaigning while recuperating. Communicate that even politicians get ill, and she is responding reasonably. Make limited, controlled communications to convey how well technology allows that. And come back strong to hammer Trump in the final month.
Unfortunately, her penchant for secrecy works against such an approach. And in today’s climate, I can see the difficulty of adopting a more “passive” role while enduring the ceaseless braying of Trumpers and the media.
Hillary’s lies about her health will be her ultimate downfall. Even tech savvy people most likely have trouble fully grasping what she did with her emails. Most people wouldn’t want their emails read. There may be actually some sympathy for her.
But everyone understands health. We all play doctor and diagnose our friends and family out of concern. Yahoo ran an old photo of Hillary at ground zero shortly after 911. She looked great. Even attractive. Fast forward 15 years and the decline is striking. I remember a Black friend telling me how he couldn’t support Bill Clinton because he lied to his face about Monica.
I think you liberal Dopers need to worry about the tepid supporters of Hillary. How many will feel betrayed that she lied to them that she was physically capable of being POTUS? She put her own ambitions ahead of the American people.
We “liberal posters” will worry about Hillary’s tepid support, and you conservative posters can worry about Trump’s tepid support. Deal?
–JM; not a liberal, but a Hillary supporter, even if a tepid one.
True, but it’s the media that pounces on Trump for the endless string of outrageous claims he’s been making for years. The “nothing” part makes perfect sense when you think in terms of the impact it’s had on the voters, except to the extent that some of the nonsense has actually improved his poll numbers. Among voters, Hillary is regarded as a politician and is implicitly held to expected standards of decorum; Trump is regarded as a renegade who’s held to no standards at all. That’s what “nothing” means.
And now the Trump campaign, with absolutely no sense of irony, is eviscerating Hillary for being critical of their supporters in much milder terms than Trump has used against almost everyone he doesn’t like.
I’m sure Amy Carter is nice and all, but really!
Nope.
I remember listening to Trump a long time ago on the Howard Stern show. Stern chided Trump that he only pulled in the honeys because he was rich. Trump claimed he had many wealthy friends who had trouble getting hooked up and that it took more than just being wealthy.
The point is that Trump has natural charisma. He was a star long before a candidate. When the debates happen, the tepid Hillary supporters will swoon his way. The women who claim to support Hillary will betray her and go for Trump.
If by some happenstance, she died, at this point the ballots are pretty much set and Kaine would become President*
Then of course he’d have to choose a new VP and I’d hope he’d pick Joe Biden for some continuity.
Did you actually use the word “swoon” when describing how women will support Trump?
Are we talking about replacing Zayn in One Direction or the presidency?
I said it appeared they were going to keep the pneumonia a secret. You said ‘wait what?’, but the pneumonia diagnosis occurred Friday, the announcement not until after she publicly collapsed on Sunday.
I believe that adds further to the political damage.
“Dr Lisa Bardack said she [Clinton] was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday and given antibiotics, but had become dehydrated at the New York event [Sunday].”
Happened to a buddy of mine once, threw down some really cheap tequila on top of some over-ripe clam chowder, had to run to the bathroom to swoon.
Yeah, I didn’t see that part of the news at the time I posted that. I apologize. I know better now.
You mean she rose from her bed of pain, and, against the advice of her doctors, bravely dragged herself to the event to honor our heroes!
Yes, I did.
Google women with sexual fantasies about Trump.
Make sure you turn off the safe filter and do it at work on full screen mode.:o
That’s disturbing.
The good news is, being a misognynist and a bigot is, for most women, kind of a turnoff. Additionally: I (and probably many others here) want to fuck Sarah Palin; this doesn’t mean we’re stupid enough to vote for her.
Ah, all the girls just want to fuck him, so he’ll get their vote.
I don’t even know what to say to someone like you, so I won’t say anything more.
Well, of course DONALD TRUMP would say that. What the hell did you expect him to say?
The fact is really rich men can get laid with ease. When he suggested otherwise, he was lying.
Trump is really not a conservative and that’s not just the conceit of the relatively few disappointed actual conservatives who refuse to support him even v Clinton. It’s important the dynamics of the race overall. Only pretty liberal people are much turned off by Trump’s ‘conservatism’ relative to Clinton (it is true relatively overall). People with less ideological ax to grind can see and hear with their own senses that Trump is all over the map in left/right terms, and don’t necessarily dismiss the cases where he tries to get to the left of Clinton.
For example on foreign interventionism. Yes, Trump is an incoherent BS’er on this like everything else, he has no real idea what he’s talking about. But to lower info non-ideological voters (a lot voters, maybe most) it is not the usual set up where the GOP’er is the relative hawk and the Dem more dovish or ‘nuanced’. Trump can claim Hillary is the foreign adventurer with some credibility to many people, especially considering how low her credibility is in general. Same with a number of other issues where Trump is not constrained to appear the traditional conservative, besides not actually being one. And his phoniness in shape shifting that way has to be compared to her low credibility with the relevant voters. She has roughly 42-46% support RCP avg (4 way v 2way), but only something like 30% in various poll internals think she’s trustworthy: an apparently significant layer of her own support doesn’t trust her, they just think Trump is worse than her overall (not necessarily on trust, where Trump’s numbers have improved to now noticeably better than hers though still not good).
The comments on this thread about ‘I’d vote for Clinton against Trump even if she were dead’ are very tone deaf and head in the sand as to the actual problem she faces, which isn’t with voters who think that way. Note though, you can stick your head in the sand with no predator approaching, and might pull it out after November 8 and find Hillary won. Probably still I’d say, though I doubt Nate Silver or anyone else can quantify that probability meaningfully.
Not a woman by any stretch of the imagination, but have no idea what they could find “charismatic” about a guy that wears a dead ferret on his head and speaks like a sixth grader on repeat.
With no small amount of trepidation, I also “dared” to google your alleged Trump-based sexual fantasies and really, not much there.
That said, as long as we’re being puerile, try changing the search name to “Obama.” Just don’t do it at work.