Cute response but I’m afraid you don’t really understand the potential danger here. Whether you accept this to be true or not, the fact is that Hillary Clinton has seriously damaged her credibility and she has at the same time given credence to a major conspiracy theory, which is that she is in poor health. The risk in this situation is that someone in the party inadvertently fuels speculation that her health is frail to the point of creating a crisis of confidence. There is no way to control what hundreds of Clinton’s official supporters in the democratic party might say in a candid interview. It would be fairly easy for one of them to go off script and then have the media turn that into a story in and of itself.
I found a poll from the national association of witch doctors that had similar results.
We’re probably going to have larger than usual numbers of people undecided going into the final days – that’s the tricky part. But to answer your question, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gary Johnson pick up double digit support. Stein probably won’t get above five percent, but that could be about 10-15 percent by itself. So, yes, we could see a situation in which we enter the final Monday of the campaign with Trump and Clinton at 39-42 percent (78-84% of the total), Johnson at 7-12 percent and Stein at 2-4 percent and a few other no-name candidates here and there picking up the remainder. The question is whether Johnson and Stein enter with a strong 10-15 percent of protest votes. If not, then we will simply see larger numbers of undecideds heading into election day.
But here’s the danger for Clinton based on the polling data I’ve seen: Trump supporters in these polls are more likely to support their candidate, they’re more committed to their candidate. Clinton needs to be winning by 4 percent in the polls to enter election night feeling somewhat safe. Short of that, I would say it’s advantage Trump, and the more ‘even’ the race, the worse it gets for the Clinton campaign.
Edit: never mind, saw that Starving Artist’s ridiculous cite has already been addressed.
Even this is extraordinary.
Clinton says “basket of deplorables,” and it’s outrageous.
Trump has accumulated a list of more outrageous comments, and…? Nothing.
I’m not so sure. Checking last sets of polls:
ABC/WaPo 4-way has only 2% undecided.
Picking a couple of state ones the NBC/Marist of Georgia 3-way has only 4% undecided and the CBS/YouGov of Ohio has only 6%.
Undecideds plus third third parties is not even huge. 13% in the ABC/WaPo for example, 14% in the Marist Georgia, 15% in the CBS/YouGov of Ohio.
Of course the Doctor didn’t know that and knew his comment would be enough to ruin her.
Setting aside the CS hijack, it’s a clever bit of writing showing that the perception of weakness of any kind can be fatal to politician. FDR has already been mentioned. Well he spent a lot of effort trying to appear vigorous. Reagan’s age was an issue so we saw video of him chopping wood. Now we have Hilary being dragged into a car. Trump doesn’t even have to say anything it’s all over the main stream media. Trump is an awful candidate and can be counted on for a few more gaffes so it might end up being a hiccup in two months but her campaign can not afford to ignore this.
In as much as the best asset each candidate appears to posses in the public eye, is their adversary, looking frail – if being dragged into a van, unconscious, can be described as “frail” – is certainly not a plus for Hillary.
She could drop dead, and I’d gladly vote for her cold corpse over Trump.
THAT is the right sentiment.
She can still do the debates… but she needs to rest Now. Honestly, it would be nice if she could just turn off the TV, turn off all of the phones, roll over on a Monday and just get some sleep.
The weather is cooler today & perfect for sleeping in.
Its OK, HRC. You’ve earned it.
PS- Nobody likes the green jello. Get Well Soon!!! 
And there are people on the other side who would vote for a corpse over Hilary. It’s the people who don’t feel so strongly that are in play.
My thoughts (such as they are and what there are of them), is that this has made the first debate crucial, perhaps even win/lose for Hillary. The common take (at least here on the Dope) is that Clinton would do very well compared to Trump when the topics would be covered in 15-minute segments, allowing her to show off her knowledge and skills while Donald floundered (again, that was the perception).
Now, Hillary MUST have a strong debate, but not only in terms of covering issues but in how she is perceived by the 70 Million or so watchers. If she stands there for the 90 minutes, projecting that she is hale and hearty and at the same time shows command of the topics much better than the Mango Mussolini, then this incident will be forgotten. But if she looks ill or gets woozy or has another coughing fit, then the gloom and doom of the OP just possibly could come true.
So being physically ready in a couple of weeks for that first debate is now highly critical for Clinton. The stakes have gotten higher.
IMHO as always. YMMV.
If Stein picks up 5% or more I will eat my cat.
Generally its those types who’d try to subtly play up the ‘health-conspiracy’ angle.
And what was it that one poster said? Somehow working hard enough to catch walking pneumonia damages her credibility? WTF???
Here, let me borrow that medical degree so I can prescribe Trump a High Colonic to help with his speeches…
A random point or two.
As previously mentioned. The Dukakus helmet. The Whatshisname scream. And a few other incidents (at least) of the sort. In any sane world these things wouldn’t make a hill of beans difference. But it often appears they did.
And the debates. Most people think Hillary will mop the floor with Trump. First I would not count on that. But that is beside the point. People here think that because she knows her stuff better and can probably debate better in a proper logical manner (which most very likely IS true IMO).
But here is the thing. Let us turn on the wayback machine. Remember the Carter/Regan debate? As a data point I was moderately for Carter. Regan seemed likeable too but IMO at the time he just did NOT have the experience for the job. So basically I am mildly pro Carter anti Regan but it is also NOT like I wanna have Carter’s love child or think Regan is the demon spawn.
I remember watching the debate and thinking Carter BLEW Regan away. Carter answered questions (back when they actually did rather than blathering for 5 minutes without actually saying anything). Carter had plans. Carter defended himself well. Regan not so much (if at all…the details get a little fuzzy).
Anyway to cut to the chase IMO in any sane world Carter was the winner.
Guess who the general public thought won?
I think a fair number of you Dopers here are in danger of doing a my Carter.
Not saying it WILL happen. Just saying it is a possiblity.
Clinton is going to fall in the polls this week. That’s a foregone conclusion. Trump will at least pull even, or close enough, by Friday. That is something people need to be prepared for, 'cause it’s going to happen.
Having said that, three key events are coming up that could reverse the narrative; the debates. If Clinton looks healthy at the debates, the narrative of “Clinton is sick” will be squished. The first debate is two weeks away, which is more than enough time for her to recover from pneumonia (at least, enough that she’ll look fine.) If she looks fine and Trump challenges her on her health, she can shut him down. “I feel great. Fit as a fiddle. I had a bug a few weeks ago, who cares? I got better. You remain ignorant.” The candidates are never more visible to the country as a whole as they are during the debates.
Hillary can’t approach it as if logic will win the day. She just has to look presidential. I think the best thing she could do is get someone to tweet things about Trump to get under his skin and get him ready to explode when the debate starts. Let him bluster and she could pull a Reagan and say “there you go again”.
Love Andy Borowitz’s line:
What Trump’s campaign will do is take footage of the coughing, the trip on the stairs, the “collapse” at the 911 event,splice it together, with a dirge in the background, and play it over and over in campaign ads. The point being that this footage will resonate with the undecideds when they hear Hillary’s name.
Your point is well taken for those of us who will vote Hillary over Trump, but we’re already represented in the polls. It’s those who are just now waking up to the fact that they have to vote on 60 days who will be influenced. And that will hurt. Hurt bad.
I wouldn’t call a full week of non-stop pounding over Trump’s comments about the Gold Star Parents “nothing”. How quickly we forget as the news cycle churns out the latest “controversy”.