Hollands 2-nd political murder in 500 years: director Theo van Gogh shot by muslim

gum: I’ve never mentioned all muslims.

Well, when you use the word “Muslims” without any qualifier, in expressions like “Muslims enjoy calling unbelievers ‘swine’” or “What Muslims mean when they say their faith is ‘tolerant’ is that they will not kill you if you submit”, then you are giving the impression that you intend such comments to apply to all Muslims.

When you limit your outrage specifically to the Islamist extremists, violent fanatics, hatemongers, and criminals who actually commit or encourage these atrocities, I don’t disagree with you at all.

gum: *I’m sick of your sort. You and all the rest of the pathetic PC people are guilty as well of this murder. You are the ones that gave this muslim the idea he was doing good. *

This is sheer irrational raving. Of course I’m not in any way guilty of this murder, and of course I never condoned or encouraged any such hateful and violent acts, and of course I never said anything that would imply to Mohammad B. or anyone else that a vicious hate-crime murder is “doing good.”

gum: He wasn’t poor, he wasn’t a victim.

I never said he was.

gum: He’s a filthy murderous GOATFUCKER

I agree.

By the way: I went to the www.maroc.nl site that you mentioned in a different thread, and I found this condemnation of the murder of van Gogh that I thought you might appreciate seeing.

My Dutch is still pretty sketchy, so please correct me where necessary, but as far as I can tell this means something like:

heh. I *knew * you aren’t living in the real world.

That piece is written by the owner of the website. Have you read the answers? [if they’re still there - if not, try to see the discrepancies in post answers]

Quote by Kimstu: *
Well, when you use the word “Muslims” without any qualifier, in expressions like “Muslims enjoy calling unbelievers ‘swine’” or “What Muslims mean when they say their faith is ‘tolerant’ is that they will not kill you if you submit”, then you are giving the impression that you intend such comments to apply to all Muslims.*

Frankly my dear, I don’t give a flying fuck as to what impression I give. I know what I am. Which is more than you do.

Well hell, I wish you’d said that in the previous diatribe of yours about a fortnight ago. Because you certainly never said anything as sensible in that thread. With that in mind, I can agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. Do you realise that during that previous thread it was that distinction that kept it going for so long?

Amusing, though, the umbrage you took to a vaginal epithet then, yet use one yourself in this thread… :wink:

posted by jjimm

Thank you. :wink:

gum: That piece is written by the owner of the website.

Yes, I know. What’s wrong with that? I’m not suggesting that everybody who posts on that website agrees with it, but I thought it was a good thing to see such a clear condemnation of the van Gogh murder as the official statement on a Moroccan-Dutch website.

gum: Frankly my dear, I don’t give a flying fuck as to what impression I give. I know what I am. Which is more than you do.

Well, the impression you give by what you write in your posts is the only way I have of knowing anything about what you are. Here on an anonymous message board, your posts are all we know about you.

Originally posted by Kimstu

It is not an official statement.
We haven’t recieved any official statement from Morocco.

&

I suggest you read some more of my posts.
I’m not an armchair left-winger.
From http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11317298%5E2703,00.html

Another arrest in van Gogh murder
AP
November 08, 2004
AMSTERDAM: Police have detained another suspect in relation to the killing of Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh. They have also arrested two other men who are accused of calling for the beheading of an anti-immigration politician.

The 23-year-old arrested in connection with van Gogh’s death is the eighth suspect belonging to a gang of young Muslim radicals who, Dutch prosecutors say, conspired to murder the film-maker over a movie critical of Islam.

In the other arrests, two men – aged 20 and 23 – were detained in connection with a video promising “paradise” in return for the beheading of politician Geert Wilders, prosecutors said in a statement.

Mr Wilders, a right-wing conservative who has been outspoken in his opposition to immigration to The Netherlands, recently split from his mainstream party because it favoured a bid by predominantly Muslim Turkey to join the European Union.

Prosecutors said the suspects used an internet group website to place a video with the text: “The punishment is beheading and the reward for doing it is paradise.”

gum: *It is not an official statement. We haven’t recieved any official statement from Morocco. *

I never said it was an official statement from Morocco. But it certainly does appear to be the official statement of the www.maroc.nl website, as I said. It’s up on their front page, it claims to speak for the “Stichting Maroc.NL”, and it’s signed “Stichting Maroc.NL”.

gum: *I suggest you read some more of my posts. *

I read all of your posts, at least the ones in GD, GQ, and the Pit.

gum: *I’m not an armchair left-winger. *

That much is certainly clear. The fact that you’re not biased against all Muslims in general is not so clear, from the impression you’re giving.

I’m sure Kimstu will translate this and tell y’all what the Stichting Maroc. nl and www.maroc.nl really is.

http://www.maroc.nl/forums/showthread.php?threadid=116573

I’m tired.

So what is it “really”, gum?

I looked at the website and what it seems to be “really” is a website that seems to be targetting a Muslim audience in The Netherlands and more specific those of Moroccanb origin.

So do you want to say that a website visited by Muslims in The Netherlands and that openly condemns the murder of a Dutch citizen and offers condolences to the relatives and friends is something wrong, or what are you trying to say?

I think you are trying to say that whenever Muslims openly (and in this wase bvisible for the whole world) condemn violence, you want to dismiss that by all means because it does not fit in your bigotted reasoning.

By the way: Since when is “Blijf van mijn Lijf” for Muslim-women-only?
Because you act here as if you so altruistic focus your entire life on helping these poor battered “Muslim” women. No Dutch women ever visiting the place? You must live Paradise-Land there.
Salaam. A

gum: I’m sure Kimstu will translate this and tell y’all what the Stichting Maroc. nl and www.maroc.nl really is.
http://www.maroc.nl/forums/showthre...threadid=116573

Aw geez gum, that’s like a half-page paragraph, and it’s much more difficult writing than the other post I did!

Oh well, I suppose it’s all good practice for my Dutch comprehension. All righty, here goes:

And here’s my attempt at translation:

Whew. If anyone understands what I just said, kindly explain it to me.