I seem to remember a role that Mahaloth once made that seems very similar to What has been purported as Cookies’ role. The unaligned player would make a kill, and the side they went on was based on the alignment of the kill. I just don’t remember whether it was that they got the alignment of the person they killed or they got the opposite alignment.
Cookies, did your pm hint either way?
I had a role like that in the second Marvel game. Bullseye, played by peeker. If he killed Town, he joined Town; if he killed Scum, he joined the Scum. I thought it was nicely self-balancing.
Interesting revelations all. Need to do some more reading.
You know everything that I know at this point. As I said previously, I don’t know when or under what conditions I’m allowed to choose sides.
I had to remind myself if quoting role PMs was forbidden or not.
My PM repeatedly references choosing, and by my interpretation of the wording it does not indicate my choice of kill having anything to do with my choice of sides. If the alignment of my kill choice is to be used to determining my alignment, I’ll have another bone to pick with the Mahaloth with respect to truth in advertising. A choice is a choice, and the alignment of a kill target != choosing an alignment.
Well, that explains why your posts have been a whole lot of nothing (outside of metagame smuding) - since you don’t know what team you’ll end up on, you’ve been hedging your bets. Not anti-town, just not pro-town either.
If it were possible, you’d be making the same “don’t kill me and I’ll help you” deal with Scum. Hell, it may be possible for all I know.
Unless we can out a Scum with a very high degree of confidence, I don’t see how **not **lynching a not-Town makes any sense.
At the very least, we know we aren’t losing another Town.
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Furthermore, we don’t know everything that you know at this point - why didn’t you kill last night? Or did you and it didn’t go through? Can you kill every night?
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I have suspicions on other players, but I think it’s too dangerous to play around with someone who is confessedly not Town and doesn’t even know how to pick Town as their faction - even if Cookies makes a kill, we still won’t know what side she is on.
vote ComeToTheDarkSide
NETA: I didn’t see the role PM when I posted.
**Vote Count:
Ushimi(2): Chronos, Wolverine
Pleonast(4): Thesearemypants, Idle, Oneandonly, Meeko,
Chipacabra(2): Suburban, Cometothedarkside
Wolverine(1): Astral
Idle(1): Pleonast
Mentalguy(1): Redskeezix
Cometothedarkside(1): Ushimi
**
Ah, I did leave out that one detail. Thanks for reminding me.
I did not try to kill last night, and as per my quoted PM it is a one-shot Night kill.
Why didn’t I kill last Night?
Let’s see…
Hm, yeah, it could read that way, too. Actually, that’s more likely than Maha catering a message to a particular role.
So, Pleo is an investigator of team AND power? Seems like an unusually strong power. My suspicion is one of three cases:
1)Pleo is town, and his power is probably one shot, or limited use, or some other limiting factor like the ‘keel over dead when you find scum’ variation that existed in the last evil dead game.
2)Pleo is third party, and has a stronger than usual power to make up for it.
3)Pleo is scum, and may or may not have any restrictions on power, since there are more ways to balance scum power.
NETA: Investigator of Team, Power, and Role name. The full trifecta.
Awww. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
At the moment, I actually prefer to harbor dark thoughts toward the Moderator, though it isn’t his fault that this is the 2nd time in a row I’ve been screwed over by the investigative mechanics of a non-traditional role on these boards.
Is this a mistake or is my vote being cancelled by something?
I too would like a full claim from Pleo now that he has dropped this little bombshell on us.
I think Ushimi gives some decent reasons why we may want to vote for Cookies, but I am not ready to switch my vote yet. I would like to hear from the rest of the players. Do we want to have Cookies attempt a kill toNight? The fact that she doesn’t know when or how she will align does seem like a cause for concern.
Apologies, that comment should have been held for Forbidden/Spoiled/post-game discussion.
Unvote Ushimitsudoki
I want to hear from Pleonast before voting.
There are certainly reasons to lynch me Today, and they’re understandable reasons. But if you take my claim at face-value, I have a motivation to stay in the game that normally doesn’t apply: the motivation to stay alive long enough to at least receive a win condition and have my participation in the game be something other than a waste of my time.
I obviously can’t negotiate with the scum in the game thread, so the Town gets the boon of my transparency and the opportunity to tether my kill. Yes, it will require taking my word for it that (should the opportunity come to pass) that I will choose to align with the Town vs betray you and align with Scum. So, take my word for it.
Let me live and be Scum’s headache Tonight.
I agree. It does seem unusually strong.
Pleo is town, etc. I can see Pleo neglecting to mention his power being one-shot to play a little WIFOM game with the scum. If he was gonna keel over after finding scum, he’d most likely have mentioned that. I can understand not mentioning either, though.
Pleo is third-party, etc. Very possible. Question: would 2 third parties be a little too destabilizing in an 18-person game?
Pleo is scum, etc. I find this one most likely for a couple of reasons. One, he’s made no attempt to claim. Not even a “well, I was hoping to avoid claiming, but I’m X”. No fanfare, little production, just tossing info out. I’d assume a town player would at least try to remind those of voting for him to unvote, or make it crystal clear that he’s town.
Here’s his defense:
It just seems so disaffected. Not ringing true to me. I can’t remember off hand… does anybody remember him bringing up any cases or subtly trying to steer the conversation Cookie’s way?
**Vote Count:
Ushimi(1): Chronos,
Pleonast(4): Thesearemypants, Idle, Oneandonly, Meeko,
Chipacabra(3): Suburban, Cometothedarkside, Mentalguy
Wolverine(1): Astral
Idle(1): Pleonast
Mentalguy(1): Redskeezix
Cometothedarkside(1): Ushimi**
You have a confirmed Scum target, then? I sure don’t, and don’t think anyone else does either.
Unless you know someone is Scum, or we can determine conclusively that someone is Scum, you are just as likely to kill a Town as a Scum.
Let you live and you are just as much a headache to Town as Scum.
Further, you could kill a really cool and popular laid-back Townie (like myself) and then pretend you were redirected. Or blocked, and not kill anyone. Or whatever.
Excepting lynching a confirmed scum, letting you live to kill only makes sense if we have 2 targets we are pretty damn sure are Scum, so we can lynch one and hope you kill the other (and Scum, knowing who you are going to target, can’t stop it).
Even under those ideal circumstances, it’s risky to let you live, as you might take Scum’s side after the kill, and we gain practically nothing from your kill. (Perhaps better insight into the killed Scum’s past posts, a minor advantage). Not to mention that we might be wrong and end up killing one or two townies!
You might not be able to negotiate directly to Scum in this thread, but there might be some way to do so through some other method.
I don’t see any scenario where it makes sense to let you live, even if you are telling the truth about being willing to attempt to kill a Scum.
These youtube video reveals are pretty awesome, Mahaloth!
We’ve got a tough choice ahead of us. Do we kill Cookies? Pleonast? Someone else? We really don’t have a lot of time to decide.
Cookies: Possibly pro-town. The downside is, can we ever truly trust that she’s actually on our side? We don’t know how her power works. For all we know, she’s deliberately lying now about not knowing how to join a particular side. Maybe, like story suggested, she kills scum and joins their side anyway.
Pleonast: I might be alone in this, but his (non)claim, the color surrounding it, the manner of reveal, his disappearance afterwards, and the great amount of suspicion he’s racked up amongst the town makes him a compelling choice. Of course, we could be killing our detective.
Someone else: I suggest Wolverine if we go this route. Of course I would… I’m voting for him, after all.