Quoth storyteller:
I can’t think of any that seem likely to be applicable to this situation. Can you?
How much time do you have? I can think of hundreds. Here’s four:
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He has only a one-shot investigation. If he reveals this, he is unlikely to be Night killed, but having investigated and reported, getting Night killed would be his best next step.
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Instead of being a dedicated investigator, he actually has a menu of powers (Mahaloth has put at least one such player in every game he’s designed that I’ve seen prior to this one, I think). Revealing further detail of his role would reveal this fact.
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He has some sort of limitation on his investigations, one that can be manipulated by the Scum (ie, he can investigate only when he himself meets certain criteria, or when his target does).
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He is, in fact, a dedicated and unlimited alignment investigator. Revealing this would eliminate options 1-3 (and a host of other options) and clearly identify him as public enemy #1 for the Scum.
Now for some odds and ends that have bothered me.
No you don’t. You can vote for anyone you want. I’d recommend voting for people you find scummy.
You too? I swear, you’re as bad as Wolverine. If you think Ushi is town, you don’t vote for him or recommend others kill him. If he’s town, his death won’t tell us anything about the Oredigger wagon except that it probably had some scum somewhere in it, which we already can likely guess.
I hate defending him so vociferously when I don’t particularly have a good feel on whether he’s town or not (I suspect town, but it’s just a suspicion), but I made a vow to defend folks against terrible arguments, and this is a terrible argument.
If Pleo = X, then Ushi = X, where X is townie, right? Does that honestly make sense to you? Pleo did not introduce the case against Ushi. Clearing Pleonast does not clear Ushi in any way.
And, just so I’m clear, you unvoted Ushi because town power role Pleo voted for Oredigger which means his vote wasn’t scum motivated therefore Ushi is not scum, and now you’re voting for town power role Pleo.
Have I summarized your vote accurately?
I don’t follow this at all.
**Why should we keep a Scum Detective alive story? **
I mean, if I understand the last line of your first paragraph, you are advocating to keep a scum alive.
So you’re saying that if **Pleo **is a Town Power role, then that means his vote for **Oredigger **was ‘sincere’, and that in turn means that **ushi **is not Scum.
Forgive me, but this makes absolutely no sense to me. How does a Townie **Pleo **making a ‘good faith’ vote on **Oredigger **have anything remotely to do with **ushi **(other than the fact that Pleo apparently felt that **Oredigger **was more likely to be Scum)?
Haven’t been able to engage much to in the game, but I have after reading the last couple of pages, my current vote still stands.
Obviously not. If we had definitive proof that Pleonast was Scum, then of course it’s not just good play but essentially required play to lynch him.
We don’t.
Maybe he’s Town, and maybe he’s Scum. Given that we don’t know which, we have to evaluate the risk-benefit involved in lynching him. The risk if he is Town is huge, and unrecoverable: absent some pretty unusual powers, once we mislynch our own Detective, it’s done and there’s no going back. The benefit of lynching a Scum Pleo is substantial… but not enough to outweigh the risk.
Because the benefit to lynching a Town Pleo is negligible. But the risk to leaving a Scum Pleo alive, at least for now, is modest and recoverable. He can always be lynched in the future if better evidence of his Scumminess emerges. We don’t lose a lynch; we get to use it somewhere else.
Thus, it makes no sense to lynch Pleonast at this stage. If he turns out to be Scum, it will have a positive outcome but still be a bad play, in the same way that calling a Hail Mary on 4th and an inch might work but still be bad strategy.
All that said, by the way, Pleo’s failure to come back and mount any defense at all gives me precious little sympathy.
He hasn’t claimed that he is the dective. Quite frankly I don’t know how anyone could be more suspicious. It’d take a lot for me to change my vote
The problem with Pleonast, for me, starts with the that his role seems to be incredibly powerful. He gets an identity, and alignment, and a power. That’s significantly more information than a ‘normal’ investigative role gets.
That suggests that he is not simply a ‘role+alignment+power investigator’, because that just seems too overpowered to have in the game. It suggests his ability is one-shot, or he’s a jack-of-all-trades, or something along those lines. Now, I can see **storyteller’s **argument that in that case he might not want to make a complete claim at this point…but the problem is that he barely made even a *partial *claim. It was posted almost as an afterthought:
He tells us a bunch of stuff about Cookies, apparently all true, but doesn’t even give a *hint *as to anything about himself. I find that suspicious, especially after the fishing expedition that he seemed to be on Yesterday.
Of course, this could all be **Pleo **playing according to his own particular set of rules; I often disagree with the way he plays, but don’t necessarily think he’s Scum because of it. So right now I think **Pleo **is highly suspect, but I’m not certain. On the other hand, I still think **Chip **is Scum, and nothing that he has said recently has changed that opinion, so I’m leaving my vote there.
**Vote Count:
Pleonast(8): Thesearemypants, Idle, Oneandonly, Meeko, Cometothedarkside, Chronos, Chipacabra, Wolverine
Chipacabra(3): Suburban, Mentalguy, Storyteller
Wolverine(1): Astral
Idle(1): Pleonast
Mentalguy(1): Redskeezix
Cometothedarkside(1): Ushimi
**
The loudspeaker crackled again.
“Seriously, we need to fix this thing, don’t we? I mean, man, this
thing crackles like crazy every time I use it,” the same voice said.
“Anyway, wow. Wow. I mean you actually woke me up with this one. Here
I was sitting amongst the corpses(shoot, I have got to stop mentioning
that) and you folks come along and make one of the boldest….and
dumbest moves I’ve seen in this little experiment.”
The voice actually started giggling.
“So, let me see if I get this. You have someone who tells you that
they can discern the true identity of others in the game. So what do
you do? You vote to have that person killed? Are you insane? Did
something happen to you all when you were little that makes you want
to lose this thing? I mean, no one even came against him! Well, I
don’t care either way, but that was so dumb it was interesting.”
“And we(I mean I) like interesting. I think this was one of the most
interesting moves I’ve seen. OK, then, off we go.”
Pleonast dropped into a pit, which had formed rather suddenly near him.
Cool, right?
:crackle:
“Oh, he was evil. And not as smart as we(I mean I) expected.”
**Pleonast was Satan, a member of the NDCE. He was able to enter dreams and learn true identities(investigator).
**
It is now Night Two. Day Three begins at Noon Eastern on Saturday,
January 29.
I used a Supernatural clip, but he was not from there. He was just Satan from the Bible. Also, all teasing is juts color, folks. Nothing personal. 
**Could it be… SATAN?! ** /Church Lady.
Woot Woot WOOT.
Well done!
I wish I could say “I knew it all along!”…but I didn’t.
unfettered triumphalism
Hot diggity!
<Emily Litella>
Oh. Well.
Never Mind.
Nice going.
Ah, well. Sometimes life gets in the way of mafia.
Or afterlife, as the case may be.