It’s true she might keep the scum occupied. Unless she’s scum. Or unless they don’t worry about it, because we’re telling her not to kill. Or they don’t worry about it because her target is town.
It’s true if she turns scum, she’ll still have to do what we say. Unless she only has the one kill, and it’s the kill that triggers her faction. In that case, she doesn’t have to do much of anything except not get killed.
I’m not 100% sure where your numbers come from. She seems far more likely to hit town than scum at this point.
OK, so I probably won’t be on again before Dusk. I need to decide whom to vote for now, and I don’t have enough information. But at least part of why I don’t have enough information is Pleonast’s half-assed reveal, and his not coming back to explain himself. So that’s a natural enough way to start.
Vote Pleonast
On the off chance that he comes back sometime before Nightfall with a good account of himself, and I’m on again in time to see it, I might take that back (and presumably go back to voting for ushi), but like I said, that’s an off chance.
Oof, somehow I got it in my head that there was one more day in the Day. I think I lost a day somewhere, my schedule’s all fouled up lately.
I really wanted to see what Pleo has to say for himself, but time’s running out.
Throwing out that reveal without any sort of claim or followup can’t slide. Vote Pleonast
Being on a short leash and all, it would be nice if there was some sort of consensus of what I should do Tonight if I’m not lynched, and there is no strategy at Night. If there are multiple equally sized factions with opinions about what I should do, I’m not going to be able to make everyone happy, and whichever faction(s) I’d act contrary to is/are probably going to come after me with torches and pitchforks.
I’m awake for a few more hours, then I’ll likely be catching some zzzz’s until about 11:00am Pacific tomorrow.
I want to see a full claim from Pleo. If he is a town power role then trying to get the lynch off himself makes sense, but magic bagging Cookies role is not a great way to do this. If the post had also included a full claim then it would have sat better with me. That said, I would prefer to see a claim from Pleo in time for reactions before day end.
My numbers come from out of my ass. :eek: I just think that there is a greater advantage with Town directing her Kill regardless of her affiliation. I put that number at 3:1 but who knows.
I’ve been suspicious of Pleonast since the first Day, but I’m still going to hold off voting until I hear a full claim from him.
So Pleonast claims a power role, and as a result gets more votes? Independent of any other arguments against him, can one of the late voters for Pleonast explain why a partial claim is, in and of itself, Scummy?
While I am suspicious of Pleo, I have seen him make a soft claim in a game before and then never actually reveal his full role even when he was about to be lynched. In that game, he was the town doctor. I think that is poor play on his part, but the fact that he is doing it here does not make me any more or less inclined to think of him as scum.
I have no problem with a Pleo lynch, but I will keep my vote where it is.
Cookies, while I think you have to ultimately make the decision of who and when to kill, I think a decent target would be Ushimi. While I have generally felt that he was probably town, he is taking quite a bit of heat, and a reveal of his alignment would allow a bit better analysis of the Oredigger wagon at the end of Day 1.
After **Pleonast’s **claim, there were three people who unvoted ushi, but didn’t make a ‘replacement’ vote. I’m curious as to why. As far as I can tell, none of the information that has been revealed by either **Pleo **or **Cookies **has anything whatsoever to do with ushi…so if you thought he was Scum before the reveal, why did you suddenly think he wasn’t Scum afterwards?
Two of those people have since voted for Pleonast, but that doesn’t explain the sudden change of heart they had on ushi to begin with.
I don’t know if it’s ‘Scummy play’ or just ‘bad play’…but I generally don’t unvote someone unless I either think someone else is a better target, or new information makes me decide the person is probably not Scum. In this case, there apparently wasn’t a better target (because they didn’t vote for someone else), and I don’t see any evidence that related to **ushi **whatsoever that would change anyone’s opinion of him. So I’m wondering what the reasoning was.
If Pleonast is a Town power role, than his vote for Oredigger was not scum motivated. With no scum motivation to vote to save Ushi, it means that Ushi is not scum, hence why I removed my vote (modus tollens). In case I was away from the game for before it ended, I didn’t want to keep my vote on Ushi if Pleonast convincingly claimed some town power role.
However, since we haven’t heard back from Pleonast, it’s looking more like Pleo is scum who was trying to stir up the pot before being lynched.
All I can say about this lynch is that it’s absolutely insane to lynch a player who has, essentially, claimed a Detective role, on Day Two, with no counterclaim, whose one claimed investigation has proven true by the confession of the player in question. This goes beyond bad play into absolutely irrational play - and this is true even if Pleo turns out to be Scum.
If Pleo is not Scum, and if we’re about to lynch our own Detective on Day Two, then:
We deserve to lose the game; and
It’s hugely likely that there will be multiple Scum on this wagon.
Huh, I guess the Day is a little longer than I thought… Somehow I thought it was noon Eastern.
Quoth storyteller:
If he had said that he was Sherlock Holmes, detective (or I guess that guy from Inception, given that his power supposedly works through dreams), and then posted his role PM, and then said what he said about Cookies, then I probably wouldn’t have voted for him. But a half-assed claim like he made? A Townie has no good reason to hold back information like that. He’s bound to die very soon (even if not lynched, Scum would want to kill him ASAP), and a Townie should never want to take secrets to the grave. A Scum, however, has plenty of reason to make a half-claim like that: He might not have fully thought out his fake PM yet, he might be afraid that his fake PM will have inconsistencies in it, he might want to be able to change his story in reaction to the developing situation, he might be building in insurance against a counter-claim (like, say, if the real Detective counterclaims, he might say he’s some other sort of role and that was just a one-off).
Now, of course, it is possible that a genuinely Town Pleonast is just being eccentric and is just holding back information for no good reason. But first of all, I’ve never liked the argument of “Oh, that’s just so-and-so being so-and-so, let’s give him a pass”. And second, if he’s being so eccentric that he’s trying to take information to the grave, is he even, practically speaking, a power role at all? Is he even going to bother telling us his next investigation result? A detective who doesn’t share is effectively no detective at all.
I’m with Storyteller. For all my misgivings about Pleonast’s reveal, and for as scummy as it struck me last night, I can’t get behind voting for him. After having slept on it, I think it’s in town’s best interest to let Pleo live another day.
I’m still quite convinced Wolverine is scum, so that’s where my final vote will be for today.
Oh, and as to the insanity of lynching a claimed detective with no counterclaim, is it even more insane to do so on Day 1? We did that in LotR Mafia, and got ourselves a Scum that way. Of course, his role PM stunk, which was a large part of it… But here, we can’t even say whether Pleo’s role PM stinks, because he hasn’t given it to us. Don’t pin too much on the lack of a counterclaim: The very fact that it’s so early makes it likely that there wouldn’t be a counterclaim either way, and it’s made doubly unnecessary by the fact that people aren’t much moving their votes away from Pleo.
Oh, and from Suburban Plankton:
My opinion of ushi hasn’t changed, but obviously my opinions of both Pleonast and Cookies have. When we suddenly got information that was so much more substantial than anything we had before, I realized that it was very likely that I would be making my vote based, at least in part, on that new information. I needed time to process it, though, to decide how I would use the new information. So I unvoted ushi while I was thinking.
I’m going to vote, for the moment, for Chipacabra. Suburban Plankton’s case is compelling, and I want to back that opinion with a vote.
vote Chipacabra
Pleo, I really hope you’re planning a full claim before you die, if you’re Town. If you’re going to be out of the game anyway, I can’t see any reason to with-hold information as you go.
