On the subject of Red Skeezix, just after he claimed he said this:
Pants was in fact cop/princess. Did **Skeezix **see something somewhere that the rest of us have missed, or was this statement predicated by the fact that he believed the setup of this game to be the same as Harry Potter, which had a similar role?
I’m guessing that Red was referring to the Harry Potter template.
It’s moot, given that story is out of the game, but I think he knew what he was saying / typing. I could argue that this is a discussion board, but I think you would hate me even more than you already do. So I won’t.
I do have my vote on you.
Today [that is, in game] you seem to be coming on real hard on me. It’s like a vocal minority. I see what you are saying, and you address the main point but you feel obligated to comment about me, by name.
I sense you want to snowball my non-cases against me.
I just cut to the chase, and overtook.
Perhaps it is a bit out of place to ask this, as I’m the one with the vote out;
You said I gave you context. Are you still quite a bit bothered by me?
I suppose I could withdraw the “quite a bit”.
Your FOS on Astral did seem to be a bit ‘out of the blue’ Today (and still not quite accurate in my mind), but I can’t count that too terribly much against you, as it seems we are all rather grasping at straws in this game. I was hoping we could get some discussion going, so at least I was somewhat successful in that…
[OOG]
How was the first day at the new job?
[/OOG]
Quoth Meeko:
Put it this way: I am sufficiently convinced of Skeezix’s Towniness that I cannot conceive of a situation where I would vote for him. Any level of confidence that leads to that result is, for game purposes, equivalent, and so I do not see a need to state my level of confidence with any greater precision.
I make it a point to FOS in orange. As it was not orange, it was not a FOS. It was a lose end I felt we could pick back up. Apparently I remembered the ““discussion”” as having more weight to it.
**
OOG**
Was just the drug test. There is going to be a two day orientation later this week, if not next. I apparently had no idea how formal my hire was going to be.
Did get the tour of the store today. Cookies will be glad to know that it looks as if they went out of the way to put in the deli and sushi bar. The store only has 8 aisles, but the deli and sushi are still there. I’m willing to bet they could have gotten a few more aisles if they dropped the Deli. … But then again, from what I gather, the Deli does more than enough in business to justify its inclusion.
**
/OOG**
In other news: I just finished entering the first three Days of voting data into my vote-analysis program, and the results surprised me somewhat when I ran it. I think everyone here has seen me use this before, so I’ll just cut to the chase.
The program, as modified for this game:
[spoiler]
[noparse]
#include <stdio.h>
#define n_players 19 /* Number of players under analysis */
#define max_scum 4 /* Maximum expected number of Scum */
#define min_scum 4 /* Minimum expected number of Scum */
#define n_loop 262144 /* 2^n_players */
#define margin 0 /* How much Scummier than marginal the Scum are */
main()
{
int players[n_players]; /* Stores the alignment of each player. 0 = Town, 1 = Scum */
unsigned int players_binary;
unsigned int players_binary_shifting;
char names[n_players][26] = {"", "Wolverine","ushimitsudoki","These are my pants","special ed/Scuba","chipacabra","Suburban Plankton", "Mentalguy","Meeko","Astral Rejection", "One and Only Wanderers","ComeToDarkCookies","Red Skeezix", "Storyteller0910", "Oredigger77", "peekercpa", "Pleonast", "Idle Thoughts", "Chronos"};
int n_scum;
int buses; /* Number of times Scum voted for Scum */
int attacks; /* Number of times Town voted for Scum */
int i;
int score[n_players];
int total_scenarios = 0;
int town_votes;
int scum_votes;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) score* = 0; /* Initialize everyone's score */
for(players_binary=0; players_binary < n_loop; players_binary++) {
players_binary_shifting = players_binary;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
players* = players_binary_shifting & 1; /* Populate the players[] array according to the value of players_binary */
players_binary_shifting = players_binary_shifting >> 1;
}
n_scum = 0;
buses = 0;
attacks = 0;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
if(players* == 1) n_scum++; /* Count the number of Scum */
}
/* Count number of votes cast by Town */
town_votes = 0;
if(!players[0]) town_votes += 0; // cast 0
if(!players[1]) town_votes += 6; // Wolverine cast 6
if(!players[2]) town_votes += 6; // ushimitsudoki cast 6
if(!players[3]) town_votes += 5; // These are my pants cast 5
if(!players[4]) town_votes += 4; // special ed/Scuba cast 4
if(!players[5]) town_votes += 3; // chipacabra cast 3
if(!players[6]) town_votes += 4; // Suburban Plankton cast 4
if(!players[7]) town_votes += 3; // Mentalguy cast 3
if(!players[8]) town_votes += 5; // Meeko cast 5
if(!players[9]) town_votes += 6; // Astral Rejection cast 6
if(!players[10]) town_votes += 2; // One and Only Wanderers cast 2
if(!players[11]) town_votes += 5; // ComeToDarkCookies cast 5
if(!players[12]) town_votes += 5; // Red Skeezix cast 5
if(!players[13]) town_votes += 5; // Storyteller0910 cast 5
if(!players[14]) town_votes += 2; // Oredigger77 cast 2
if(!players[15]) town_votes += 1; // peekercpa cast 1
if(!players[16]) town_votes += 5; // Pleonast cast 5
if(!players[17]) town_votes += 4; // Idle Thoughts cast 4
if(!players[18]) town_votes += 4; // Chronos cast 4
/* Count number of votes cast by Scum */
scum_votes = 0;
if(players[0]) scum_votes += 0; // cast 0
if(players[1]) scum_votes += 4; // Wolverine cast 4
if(players[2]) scum_votes += 3; // ushimitsudoki cast 3
if(players[3]) scum_votes += 3; // These are my pants cast 3
if(players[4]) scum_votes += 2; // special ed/Scuba cast 2
if(players[5]) scum_votes += 2; // chipacabra cast 2
if(players[6]) scum_votes += 3; // Suburban Plankton cast 3
if(players[7]) scum_votes += 2; // Mentalguy cast 2
if(players[8]) scum_votes += 3; // Meeko cast 3
if(players[9]) scum_votes += 3; // Astral Rejection cast 3
if(players[10]) scum_votes += 2; // One and Only Wanderers cast 2
if(players[11]) scum_votes += 3; // ComeToDarkCookies cast 3
if(players[12]) scum_votes += 3; // Red Skeezix cast 3
if(players[13]) scum_votes += 3; // Storyteller0910 cast 3
if(players[14]) scum_votes += 1; // Oredigger77 cast 1
if(players[15]) scum_votes += 1; // peekercpa cast 1
if(players[16]) scum_votes += 2; // Pleonast cast 2
if(players[17]) scum_votes += 3; // Idle Thoughts cast 3
if(players[18]) scum_votes += 3; // Chronos cast 3
/* Count number of buses-- Only counting final votes */
if(players[13] && players[14]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted Oredigger77
if(players[1] && players[14]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Oredigger77
if(players[9] && players[14]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Oredigger77
if(players[4] && players[14]) buses++; // special ed/Scuba voted Oredigger77
if(players[3] && players[14]) buses++; // These are my pants voted Oredigger77
if(players[16] && players[14]) buses++; // Pleonast voted Oredigger77
if(players[7] && players[14]) buses++; // Mentalguy voted Oredigger77
if(players[17] && players[2]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[15] && players[2]) buses++; // peekercpa voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[11] && players[2]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[10] && players[2]) buses++; // One and Only Wanderers voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[5] && players[2]) buses++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[14] && players[2]) buses++; // Oredigger77 voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[6] && players[17]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted Idle Thoughts
if(players[18] && players[4]) buses++; // Chronos voted special ed/Scuba
if(players[12] && players[18]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted Chronos
if(players[1] && players[16]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(players[2] && players[11]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(players[8] && players[3]) buses++; // Meeko voted These are my pants
if(players[3] && players[16]) buses++; // These are my pants voted Pleonast
if(players[17] && players[16]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted Pleonast
if(players[10] && players[16]) buses++; // One and Only Wanderers voted Pleonast
if(players[8] && players[16]) buses++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(players[11] && players[16]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Pleonast
if(players[18] && players[16]) buses++; // Chronos voted Pleonast
if(players[5] && players[16]) buses++; // chipacabra voted Pleonast
if(players[1] && players[16]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(players[6] && players[5]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted chipacabra
if(players[13] && players[5]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted chipacabra
if(players[7] && players[5]) buses++; // Mentalguy voted chipacabra
if(players[9] && players[1]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(players[16] && players[17]) buses++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(players[12] && players[7]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted Mentalguy
if(players[2] && players[11]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(players[4] && players[0]) buses++; // special ed/Scuba voted
if(players[17] && players[2]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[3] && players[2]) buses++; // These are my pants voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[11] && players[13]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Storyteller0910
if(players[1] && players[2]) buses++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[8] && players[2]) buses++; // Meeko voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[18] && players[2]) buses++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[9] && players[13]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Storyteller0910
if(players[6] && players[13]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted Storyteller0910
if(players[2] && players[13]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted Storyteller0910
if(players[13] && players[2]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[12] && players[2]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted ushimitsudoki
/* Count number of attacks */
if(!players[13] && players[14]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Oredigger77
if(!players[1] && players[14]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Oredigger77
if(!players[9] && players[14]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Oredigger77
if(!players[4] && players[14]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted Oredigger77
if(!players[3] && players[14]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Oredigger77
if(!players[16] && players[14]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Oredigger77
if(!players[7] && players[14]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted Oredigger77
if(!players[17] && players[2]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[15] && players[2]) attacks++; // peekercpa voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[11] && players[2]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[10] && players[2]) attacks++; // One and Only Wanderers voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[5] && players[2]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[14] && players[2]) attacks++; // Oredigger77 voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[6] && players[17]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[4] && players[17]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[16] && players[17]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[18] && players[4]) attacks++; // Chronos voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[2] && players[4]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[3] && players[4]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[12] && players[18]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Chronos
if(!players[11] && players[18]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Chronos
if(!players[8] && players[16]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(!players[1] && players[16]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(!players[14] && players[16]) attacks++; // Oredigger77 voted Pleonast
if(!players[7] && players[11]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[9] && players[11]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[8] && players[3]) attacks++; // Meeko voted These are my pants
if(!players[16] && players[15]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted peekercpa
if(!players[4] && players[15]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted peekercpa
if(!players[16] && players[6]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[13] && players[6]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[17] && players[6]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[1] && players[13]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[3] && players[16]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Pleonast
if(!players[17] && players[16]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted Pleonast
if(!players[10] && players[16]) attacks++; // One and Only Wanderers voted Pleonast
if(!players[8] && players[16]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(!players[12] && players[16]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Pleonast
if(!players[11] && players[16]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Pleonast
if(!players[18] && players[16]) attacks++; // Chronos voted Pleonast
if(!players[5] && players[16]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted Pleonast
if(!players[1] && players[16]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(!players[6] && players[5]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted chipacabra
if(!players[11] && players[5]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted chipacabra
if(!players[13] && players[5]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted chipacabra
if(!players[7] && players[5]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted chipacabra
if(!players[9] && players[1]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(!players[16] && players[17]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[12] && players[7]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Mentalguy
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[18] && players[2]) attacks++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[1] && players[2]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[5] && players[2]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[9] && players[4]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[4] && players[0]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted
if(!players[17] && players[2]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[3] && players[2]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[8] && players[13]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[11] && players[13]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[1] && players[2]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[8] && players[2]) attacks++; // Meeko voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[9] && players[1]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(!players[2] && players[1]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted Wolverine
if(!players[18] && players[2]) attacks++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[6] && players[11]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[12] && players[6]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[9] && players[13]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[13] && players[9]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Astral Rejection
if(!players[3] && players[9]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Astral Rejection
if(!players[6] && players[13]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[2] && players[13]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[13] && players[2]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[12] && players[2]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted ushimitsudoki
if((min_scum<=n_scum) && (n_scum<=max_scum)) /* Throw out cases with wrong number of Scum */
if((attacks*scum_votes) > (buses*town_votes + margin)) /* Throw out cases with Scum not voting Scummily */
/* Add other assumptions (delete or add any considered appropriate) */
if(!players[0]) // Player 0 does not exist
if(!players[12]) // Red Skeezix is a mason
if(!players[14]) // Oredigger came up Town
if(!players[15]) // peeker came up Town
if(players[16]) // Pleo came up Scum
if(!players[10]) // Wanderers came up Town
if(!players[5]) // Chipacabra came up Town
if(!players[7]) // Mentalguy came up Town
if(!players[2]) // ushimitsudoki came up Town
if(!players[3]) // Pants came up Town
if(!players[13]) // Storyteller came up Town
if(!players[11]) // Cookies wasn't Scum for first two Days
{
total_scenarios++;
/* Output all scenarios */
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
/* if(players* == 0) printf("%s ",names*); */
if(players* == 1) {
printf("%s ",names*);
score*++;
}
}
printf("
");
}
}
/* Output scores */
fprintf(stderr,"Total number of possibilities: %d
",total_scenarios);
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) fprintf(stderr,"%s %d
",names*,score*);
return(0);
}[/noparse]
[/spoiler]I’m assuming exactly four total Scum, since I think that the assumption that we’re mirroring Harry Potter is a safe one. Cookies presented something of a problem: I don’t really have a way for accounting for someone’s alignment changing partway through the game. However, I think it’s safe to assume at least that she was not Scum for two of the three Days I’m looking at, and my program really only looks at Scum vs. non-Scum, so I’m considering her Town for this analysis. I’m also counting Red Skeezix as confirmed, as well as (of course) all of the dead.
Now, for the results:
Wolverine special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Pleonast
Wolverine Suburban Plankton Meeko Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Meeko Pleonast
Wolverine special ed/Scuba Astral Rejection Pleonast
Wolverine Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Meeko Astral Rejection Pleonast
Suburban Plankton Meeko Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Astral Rejection Pleonast Idle Thoughts
Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast Idle Thoughts
Total number of possibilities: 10
0
Wolverine 4
ushimitsudoki 0
These are my pants 0
special ed/Scuba 6
chipacabra 0
Suburban Plankton 7
Mentalguy 0
Meeko 4
Astral Rejection 7
One and Only Wanderers 0
ComeToDarkCookies 0
Red Skeezix 0
Storyteller0910 0
Oredigger77 0
peekercpa 0
Pleonast 10
Idle Thoughts 2
Chronos 0
In other words, my program thinks that there are only ten possible configurations of the Scum team at this point. This means that it thinks we’re pretty much at endgame right now. Now, its track record at endgame is much worse than in the mid-game, so I do not intend to use these results as a basis for a vote. However, the scores of 7 out of 10 that it assigns to Suburban and Astral are both awfully high, and so I do intend to take a closer look at both of them (as well as possibly Scuba, with a score of 6/10). But that’ll have to wait for tomorrow; it’s getting too late tonight for a Wall of Words.
And of course as soon as I post that I see a bug. Correction:
Code:[spoiler]
[noparse]
#include <stdio.h>
#define n_players 19 /* Number of players under analysis */
#define max_scum 4 /* Maximum expected number of Scum */
#define min_scum 4 /* Minimum expected number of Scum */
#define n_loop 524288 /* 2^n_players */
#define margin 0 /* How much Scummier than marginal the Scum are */
main()
{
int players[n_players]; /* Stores the alignment of each player. 0 = Town, 1 = Scum */
unsigned int players_binary;
unsigned int players_binary_shifting;
char names[n_players][26] = {"", "Wolverine","ushimitsudoki","These are my pants","special ed/Scuba","chipacabra","Suburban Plankton", "Mentalguy","Meeko","Astral Rejection", "One and Only Wanderers","ComeToDarkCookies","Red Skeezix", "Storyteller0910", "Oredigger77", "peekercpa", "Pleonast", "Idle Thoughts", "Chronos"};
int n_scum;
int buses; /* Number of times Scum voted for Scum */
int attacks; /* Number of times Town voted for Scum */
int i;
int score[n_players];
int total_scenarios = 0;
int town_votes;
int scum_votes;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) score* = 0; /* Initialize everyone's score */
for(players_binary=0; players_binary < n_loop; players_binary++) {
players_binary_shifting = players_binary;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
players* = players_binary_shifting & 1; /* Populate the players[] array according to the value of players_binary */
players_binary_shifting = players_binary_shifting >> 1;
}
n_scum = 0;
buses = 0;
attacks = 0;
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
if(players* == 1) n_scum++; /* Count the number of Scum */
}
/* Count number of votes cast by Town */
town_votes = 0;
if(!players[0]) town_votes += 0; // cast 0
if(!players[1]) town_votes += 6; // Wolverine cast 6
if(!players[2]) town_votes += 6; // ushimitsudoki cast 6
if(!players[3]) town_votes += 5; // These are my pants cast 5
if(!players[4]) town_votes += 4; // special ed/Scuba cast 4
if(!players[5]) town_votes += 3; // chipacabra cast 3
if(!players[6]) town_votes += 4; // Suburban Plankton cast 4
if(!players[7]) town_votes += 3; // Mentalguy cast 3
if(!players[8]) town_votes += 5; // Meeko cast 5
if(!players[9]) town_votes += 6; // Astral Rejection cast 6
if(!players[10]) town_votes += 2; // One and Only Wanderers cast 2
if(!players[11]) town_votes += 5; // ComeToDarkCookies cast 5
if(!players[12]) town_votes += 5; // Red Skeezix cast 5
if(!players[13]) town_votes += 5; // Storyteller0910 cast 5
if(!players[14]) town_votes += 2; // Oredigger77 cast 2
if(!players[15]) town_votes += 1; // peekercpa cast 1
if(!players[16]) town_votes += 5; // Pleonast cast 5
if(!players[17]) town_votes += 4; // Idle Thoughts cast 4
if(!players[18]) town_votes += 4; // Chronos cast 4
/* Count number of votes cast by Scum */
scum_votes = 0;
if(players[0]) scum_votes += 0; // cast 0
if(players[1]) scum_votes += 4; // Wolverine cast 4
if(players[2]) scum_votes += 3; // ushimitsudoki cast 3
if(players[3]) scum_votes += 3; // These are my pants cast 3
if(players[4]) scum_votes += 2; // special ed/Scuba cast 2
if(players[5]) scum_votes += 2; // chipacabra cast 2
if(players[6]) scum_votes += 3; // Suburban Plankton cast 3
if(players[7]) scum_votes += 2; // Mentalguy cast 2
if(players[8]) scum_votes += 3; // Meeko cast 3
if(players[9]) scum_votes += 3; // Astral Rejection cast 3
if(players[10]) scum_votes += 2; // One and Only Wanderers cast 2
if(players[11]) scum_votes += 3; // ComeToDarkCookies cast 3
if(players[12]) scum_votes += 3; // Red Skeezix cast 3
if(players[13]) scum_votes += 3; // Storyteller0910 cast 3
if(players[14]) scum_votes += 1; // Oredigger77 cast 1
if(players[15]) scum_votes += 1; // peekercpa cast 1
if(players[16]) scum_votes += 2; // Pleonast cast 2
if(players[17]) scum_votes += 3; // Idle Thoughts cast 3
if(players[18]) scum_votes += 3; // Chronos cast 3
/* Count number of buses-- Only counting final votes */
if(players[13] && players[14]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted Oredigger77
if(players[1] && players[14]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Oredigger77
if(players[9] && players[14]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Oredigger77
if(players[4] && players[14]) buses++; // special ed/Scuba voted Oredigger77
if(players[3] && players[14]) buses++; // These are my pants voted Oredigger77
if(players[16] && players[14]) buses++; // Pleonast voted Oredigger77
if(players[7] && players[14]) buses++; // Mentalguy voted Oredigger77
if(players[17] && players[2]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[15] && players[2]) buses++; // peekercpa voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[11] && players[2]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[10] && players[2]) buses++; // One and Only Wanderers voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[5] && players[2]) buses++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[14] && players[2]) buses++; // Oredigger77 voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[6] && players[17]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted Idle Thoughts
if(players[18] && players[4]) buses++; // Chronos voted special ed/Scuba
if(players[12] && players[18]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted Chronos
if(players[1] && players[16]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(players[2] && players[11]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(players[8] && players[3]) buses++; // Meeko voted These are my pants
if(players[3] && players[16]) buses++; // These are my pants voted Pleonast
if(players[17] && players[16]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted Pleonast
if(players[10] && players[16]) buses++; // One and Only Wanderers voted Pleonast
if(players[8] && players[16]) buses++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(players[11] && players[16]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Pleonast
if(players[18] && players[16]) buses++; // Chronos voted Pleonast
if(players[5] && players[16]) buses++; // chipacabra voted Pleonast
if(players[1] && players[16]) buses++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(players[6] && players[5]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted chipacabra
if(players[13] && players[5]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted chipacabra
if(players[7] && players[5]) buses++; // Mentalguy voted chipacabra
if(players[9] && players[1]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(players[16] && players[17]) buses++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(players[12] && players[7]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted Mentalguy
if(players[2] && players[11]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(players[4] && players[0]) buses++; // special ed/Scuba voted
if(players[17] && players[2]) buses++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[3] && players[2]) buses++; // These are my pants voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[11] && players[13]) buses++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Storyteller0910
if(players[1] && players[2]) buses++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[8] && players[2]) buses++; // Meeko voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[18] && players[2]) buses++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[9] && players[13]) buses++; // Astral Rejection voted Storyteller0910
if(players[6] && players[13]) buses++; // Suburban Plankton voted Storyteller0910
if(players[2] && players[13]) buses++; // ushimitsudoki voted Storyteller0910
if(players[13] && players[2]) buses++; // Storyteller0910 voted ushimitsudoki
if(players[12] && players[2]) buses++; // Red Skeezix voted ushimitsudoki
/* Count number of attacks */
if(!players[13] && players[14]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Oredigger77
if(!players[1] && players[14]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Oredigger77
if(!players[9] && players[14]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Oredigger77
if(!players[4] && players[14]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted Oredigger77
if(!players[3] && players[14]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Oredigger77
if(!players[16] && players[14]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Oredigger77
if(!players[7] && players[14]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted Oredigger77
if(!players[17] && players[2]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[15] && players[2]) attacks++; // peekercpa voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[11] && players[2]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[10] && players[2]) attacks++; // One and Only Wanderers voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[5] && players[2]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[14] && players[2]) attacks++; // Oredigger77 voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[6] && players[17]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[4] && players[17]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[16] && players[17]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[18] && players[4]) attacks++; // Chronos voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[2] && players[4]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[3] && players[4]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[12] && players[18]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Chronos
if(!players[11] && players[18]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Chronos
if(!players[8] && players[16]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(!players[1] && players[16]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(!players[14] && players[16]) attacks++; // Oredigger77 voted Pleonast
if(!players[7] && players[11]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[9] && players[11]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[8] && players[3]) attacks++; // Meeko voted These are my pants
if(!players[16] && players[15]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted peekercpa
if(!players[4] && players[15]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted peekercpa
if(!players[16] && players[6]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[13] && players[6]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[17] && players[6]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[1] && players[13]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[3] && players[16]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Pleonast
if(!players[17] && players[16]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted Pleonast
if(!players[10] && players[16]) attacks++; // One and Only Wanderers voted Pleonast
if(!players[8] && players[16]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Pleonast
if(!players[12] && players[16]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Pleonast
if(!players[11] && players[16]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Pleonast
if(!players[18] && players[16]) attacks++; // Chronos voted Pleonast
if(!players[5] && players[16]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted Pleonast
if(!players[1] && players[16]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted Pleonast
if(!players[6] && players[5]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted chipacabra
if(!players[11] && players[5]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted chipacabra
if(!players[13] && players[5]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted chipacabra
if(!players[7] && players[5]) attacks++; // Mentalguy voted chipacabra
if(!players[9] && players[1]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(!players[16] && players[17]) attacks++; // Pleonast voted Idle Thoughts
if(!players[12] && players[7]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Mentalguy
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[18] && players[2]) attacks++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[1] && players[2]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[5] && players[2]) attacks++; // chipacabra voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[9] && players[4]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted special ed/Scuba
if(!players[4] && players[0]) attacks++; // special ed/Scuba voted
if(!players[17] && players[2]) attacks++; // Idle Thoughts voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[3] && players[2]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[8] && players[13]) attacks++; // Meeko voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[11] && players[13]) attacks++; // ComeToDarkCookies voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[1] && players[2]) attacks++; // Wolverine voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[2] && players[11]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[8] && players[2]) attacks++; // Meeko voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[9] && players[1]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Wolverine
if(!players[2] && players[1]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted Wolverine
if(!players[18] && players[2]) attacks++; // Chronos voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[6] && players[11]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted ComeToDarkCookies
if(!players[12] && players[6]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted Suburban Plankton
if(!players[9] && players[13]) attacks++; // Astral Rejection voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[13] && players[9]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted Astral Rejection
if(!players[3] && players[9]) attacks++; // These are my pants voted Astral Rejection
if(!players[6] && players[13]) attacks++; // Suburban Plankton voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[2] && players[13]) attacks++; // ushimitsudoki voted Storyteller0910
if(!players[13] && players[2]) attacks++; // Storyteller0910 voted ushimitsudoki
if(!players[12] && players[2]) attacks++; // Red Skeezix voted ushimitsudoki
if((min_scum<=n_scum) && (n_scum<=max_scum)) /* Throw out cases with wrong number of Scum */
if((attacks*scum_votes) > (buses*town_votes + margin)) /* Throw out cases with Scum not voting Scummily */
/* Add other assumptions (delete or add any considered appropriate) */
if(!players[0]) // Player 0 does not exist
if(!players[12]) // Red Skeezix is a mason
if(!players[14]) // Oredigger came up Town
if(!players[15]) // peeker came up Town
if(players[16]) // Pleo came up Scum
if(!players[10]) // Wanderers came up Town
if(!players[5]) // Chipacabra came up Town
if(!players[7]) // Mentalguy came up Town
if(!players[2]) // ushimitsudoki came up Town
if(!players[3]) // Pants came up Town
if(!players[13]) // Storyteller came up Town
if(!players[11]) // Cookies wasn't Scum for first two Days
{
total_scenarios++;
/* Output all scenarios */
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) {
/* if(players* == 0) printf("%s ",names*); */
if(players* == 1) {
printf("%s ",names*);
score*++;
}
}
printf("
");
}
}
/* Output scores */
fprintf(stderr,"Total number of possibilities: %d
",total_scenarios);
for(i=0;i<n_players;i++) fprintf(stderr,"%s %d
",names*,score*);
return(0);
}[/noparse]
[/spoiler]
Results:Wolverine special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Pleonast
Wolverine Suburban Plankton Meeko Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Meeko Pleonast
Wolverine special ed/Scuba Astral Rejection Pleonast
Wolverine Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Meeko Astral Rejection Pleonast
Suburban Plankton Meeko Astral Rejection Pleonast
special ed/Scuba Astral Rejection Pleonast Idle Thoughts
Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast Idle Thoughts
Wolverine Suburban Plankton Pleonast Chronos
special ed/Scuba Suburban Plankton Pleonast Chronos
Suburban Plankton Meeko Pleonast Chronos
special ed/Scuba Astral Rejection Pleonast Chronos
Suburban Plankton Astral Rejection Pleonast Chronos
Meeko Astral Rejection Pleonast Chronos
Astral Rejection Pleonast Idle Thoughts Chronos
Total number of possibilities: 17
0
Wolverine 5
ushimitsudoki 0
These are my pants 0
special ed/Scuba 8
chipacabra 0
Suburban Plankton 11
Mentalguy 0
Meeko 6
Astral Rejection 11
One and Only Wanderers 0
ComeToDarkCookies 0
Red Skeezix 0
Storyteller0910 0
Oredigger77 0
peekercpa 0
Pleonast 17
Idle Thoughts 3
Chronos 7
Then I have effectively proven your program is worthless. It assigns me the highest “scum” value (technically, tied with Suburban), and I know for a fact I’m town.
I would ask anyone considering a case on me to ignore Chronos’ program’s results. Including them in a case would make me a sad panda.
Today was a busy day for me. Tomorrow, I’m leaping back into this game.
I wanted to let you guys kinda hash it out today, but my time is limited this week. For my money, the Cookies vote looks like the best hedge to hide behind, ie it guarantees that if we are at lylo that we lynch scum, otherwise we face lylo tomorrow instead of today. And tomorrow there will be a 50/50 split (considering that the doctor should claim if i’m dead).
vote COokies
Also, Chronos, you’re input is flawed, i don’t know if it’s on purpose or not, but you should have min scum =4 max scum =5.
Unless you know something we don’t.
Also, why have you assumed that cookies is town?
Would those of you voting for me also weigh in on your thoughts on a mass claim? I will be a mislynch and I think it may be best to have that information out for absorption and analysis prior to lylo.
I was hoping we’d be more talkative Today…but I’m as guilty as everyone else in that regard. It’s been one of those weeks so far.
I’m having to resist a temptation to vote for **Chronos **based on his posting hi program results showing me as ‘Most Likely to be Scum’, and then saying that he doesn’t plan on voting based on those results, but he’s posting them anyway.
Actually, as I write this, I’ve decided to stop resisting.
vote Chronos
If you don’t trust the results of your program enough to stand behind them yourself, then why bother telling the rest of us what they are in the first place, unless you want to plant a seed…
I was going to put a vote on Cookies, basically as a holdover from my vote Yesterday (I guess that was technically the Day before Yesterday, wasn’t it?). But that was based on ‘not having anything better to go on’, and I’ve just changed my mind.
To clarify my reasoning on Cookies: To deal with her completely correctly, I would have to allow for the possibility of changing alignment in my code, which is not something that it’s really set up to do, and I don’t intend to put in the amount of work that would be needed to change it. But for at least the majority of the data set, she was not on the Scum team, and could be expected to behave like a Townie as far as the voting data is concerned. Scum will behave differently than Townies because they have different information than Townies, but Cookies had no more information than a Townie on Days 1 and 2. This does not mean that I actually think she must currently be a Townie (I don’t know what she is), and I would say that my program says exactly nothing about her current alignment. But I think that my program can give at least some information about other players, and I think that information about other players is better served by treating Cookies as Town in the analysis.
As an aside, I really shouldn’t have been surprised that my program gives so few possible scenarios: Even without looking at any voting data, there are only 7 choose 3 (=35) possible configurations left (aside from the question about Cookies, which as I said I’m not really addressing). So the voting data is ruling out about half of the possibilities. I was expecting more because we’ve only had three full Days so far, but we’ve also had a lot of extra deaths.
I’m not voting for you at the moment, but I wouldn’t have an objection to a mass claim at this point. I agree that **Skeezix **should fix the order, if we’re going to go that route.
Quoth Suburban:
I said that I don’t plan to use them as the basis for a vote, not that I don’t plan on using them at all. It isn’t strong enough for a vote, but it is strong enough for me to decide where to look closer. I haven’t had time yet for WoWs on you and Astral; once I do, I might (or might not) decide based on that whether I should vote for either of you. Of course, the ideal player wouldn’t need guidance on whom to look closely at, since e would just look closely at everyone, but I’m sure you appreciate that that’s impossible.
Oh, and as for a mass claim, if we are in fact (as seems incredibly likely) replaying Harry Potter, then there’s currently exactly one Town power role still in hiding, the Doctor/Vote Charger, there are no bonus kills remaining, and the Scum team still has a roleblocker. It looks to me like the only benefit of mass-claiming would be that the Doctor would be effectively confirmed, but the advantage to being confirmed is just that that player won’t be lynched, and he can see that coming. Wouldn’t we get just as much benefit from staying unclaimed until and unless he’s under lynch pressure, and claim then? As soon as the Scum know who the Doctor is, they can just block-kill him, so we shouldn’t let that information out any earlier than we need to.
**Vote Count
Cookies(2): Idle, Redskeezix
Suburban(1): Meeko
Chronos(1): Suburban
I’m giving you folks 'til Thursday at 3 Eastern to decide.
**
Are we so certain that the current setup is an exact mirror of Harry Potter? So far we’ve seen two Town Powers plus two Masons, and we’ve only uncovered a single Scum…and we’ve had **story’s **extra vote. Given the make-up that we have uncovered already, is there only one plausible blueprint that fits?
This seems to be more of a game architecture question, based on game balance and the like, and that’s not my strong suit, which is why i’m asking. It seems dangerous to assume we know what’s left out there and discount the possibility that the remaining players might be different from what is expected.
I’m not saying “Chonos, you’re wrong” here, but I am asking “Chronos, how confident are you that you are definitely right?”