What are you talking about, Sam?
Just how bad or widespread do you think this stuff is?
Where have you seen armed citizens stopping the rioting?
I think you have drastically over-estimated the amount of “violent” “rioting” that’s been going on. The vast majority of gatherings have been peaceful protests. I’m really curious where we’ve had armed citizens breaking up protests. Perhaps you can enlighten us.
Most of the violence I’m aware of is from the white nationalists and police murdering people.
Just counting what is in my personal collection, not in my dealership stock, I would have to shell out about 30K. And that is assuming that tax would remain at $200 and not increase.
I shouldn’t have to pay one cent for property I already own beyond any tax that was in place when I purchased it.
I don’t trust Trump on anything. But I trust Biden even less. The fact that Trump is the lesser of two evils is frightening.
Sam is in central Canada. He has zero clue what he’s talking about.
What is it exactly that you think we are going to do? If we Democrats were determined to take away guns from law abiding citizens we would have done it by now. What exactly has changed in 4 mere years? If it was going to happen it would have during the years of Obama when we had 8 years to pull it off.
Thanks for beating me to pointing this out. I always find it peculiar how invested he is in telling us folks down South how we should vote.
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What is it exactly that you think we are going to do? If we Democrats were determined to take away guns from law abiding citizens we would have done it by now. What exactly has changed in 4 mere years? If it was going to happen it would have during the years of Obama when we had 8 years to pull it off.[/quote]
You didn’t have full control of Congress during all of those 8 years. And Obama seemed cautious, probably by what happened to Bill Clinton in 1994.
What changed is you have potential to have both sides of Congress as well as 2 of the most rabid anti-gun rights President/VP in power. Has anyone here actually read or listened to what Biden and his running mate propose?
Even for a Gish gallop, the first item has not aged well on that old list. That is not what even freaking Foreign Policy magazine reports.
And here we have another reason people will vote for Trump: single issue voters. It simply doesn’t matter to them how corrupt Trump is, what he will or won’t do about coronavirus, what foundations he’s laying for the future, or how distasteful he is personally to them. That’s all irrelevant, as long as he’s on their side on X.
Exactly. I used to be a single-issue pro-2nd Amendment voter (some 30 years ago), but it’s not like the fate of American democracy was at stake when I was choosing between George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
That is not the case today.
And ironically, it’s not like Trump actually cares about the 2nd Amendment, despite what he says. After all, he’s a pathological liar. And a re-elected Trump who never had to face voters again wouldn’t hesitate to order an unconstitutional gun ban with house-to-house searches and confiscation if he thought it was to his benefit.
Biden respects the rule of law. Trump does not. It’s as simple as that.
@pkbites, you could lose your democracy and your guns.
And like I said, as much as I distrust Trump, I distrust Biden even more. How is that for a fucked up election? Do your research and you’ll see I have been one of Trumps biggest critics.
The OP only asked how I can vote for Trump. It didn’t demand I justify it. Joe Bidens candidacy is justification enough. Better to stick with the asshole nut job I know than the asshole nut job who says he’s going to be worse.
If a gun ban ever happens in the United States it’s not going to be going door-to-door confiscation, it will happen the same way it did in New Zealand, a huge fine and prison sentence for possession.
I don’t think any of us appreciate how much worse an unconstrained second-term Trump can be than the “asshole nut job” we think we know.
Trump is just a few months away from an election that will decide his fate. He’s on his best behavior right now. After the election, it will be a case of “hold my beer.” There are no “adults” left in the administration and few institutional guardrails left in Washington.
I put nothing past Trump.
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I put nothing past Trump.[/quote]
What about Biden and Harris who are already suggesting it?
I don’t think it should be an American voter’s main consideration, but they may not be aware of just how badly Trump has damaged the US brand internationally in the past four years. US politics is incredibly inward looking, and that’s fine, but you don’t live in a cocoon.
Not all your international relations are with headlining bad-boys like Kim and Netenyahu and Xi and Putin - they are the exception. The other 90% of American international relationships and trade runs smoothly because there are [were] treaties and agreements and sensible discussions, no one had to spend money on military back-up and people watched Hollywood movies and got captured by capitalist dreams. Trump hasn’t just decided to shake the tree to see what happens, he’s intervened because I suspect he fundamentally does not understand that international relations is not just skeezy property development on a giant scale.
Its a fair criticism of modern global leaders that they are pretty much cookie-cutter variants of a narrow form of ambitious technocrats and business people. That also means that most of the world expects their leader will be at least capable of reading and understanding a brief, can work proactively with others, know how to play a long game, recognise the difference between personal and national interest and have some idea there is a positive outcome to their effort that goes beyond the next election. I sincerely believe Trump is incapable of all those things.
Americans overseas have always been defensive about their country, but in the past few years every American I have met has been ashamed and embarassed because EVERYONE thinks their President is an unfunny clown. We now look on Americans with pity and a measure of contempt for having voted for him the first time. No one has illusions now that your mess of an electoral system somehow magically still produces good results and that you can be a reliable and steadfast ally.
What about this big wide world full of much greater issues facing all of humanity that are being made worse with Trump in office? Can you think about someone other than yourself and your toys for a moment, please?
Besides, history shows that you stand to make a shit ton of money peddling this fear of yours with Dems in office. Why would you vote against your own self interest?
Looking at the Biden/Harris platform, their approach to guns looks to me like they are extending the ideas that currently regulate machine guns under the NFA to “assault weapons.” Calling for buybacks and registration, not confiscation. I mean, looking at the tepid ideas in the platform and saying “Slippery slope! It will lead to the destruction of all gun culture as we know it!” seems a little bit premature to me. But okay. One issue voters gotta one issue, no matter what I think of it.
For thems as wants to see for theirselves:
Not by any metric. He has consistently insulted our allies and kowtowed to our enemies. His abrupt withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement and the Paris agreement has irreparably damaged America’s ability to participate in international treaties. He has made America the laughingstock of the world. Trump may well be the worst foreign policy president in 30 years.
Not remotely true, and in fact he’s done more to weaken NATO than any other US president since its creation. Remind me again which country benefits most from a weak NATO?
This one baffles me every time I see it.
Do you know why no previous president did this? It’s because all of them before Trump, Democrat and Republican alike, understood that it was a major bargaining chip that the US held which could be used in Israel-Palestinian peace talks, something that Israel wanted and cost the US little that could be given in return for concessions from Israel on behalf of the Palestinians.
And Mr. “Art of the Deal” just gave it away - not to further peace, nor to further US interests, but simply to stoke his own ego. All we got in return was Trump’s name put on a housing estate. And yet his supporters still think that this was a smart thing to do.
Good for him. Not sure what he actually did, but it’s a lonely win in a big pile of foreign policy losses.
This is the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, yes? The one that was carried out to prevent “imminent and sinister attacks” (a claim that turned out to be a lie) and led to Iraqi Parliament passing a resolution to expel all foreign troops?
This is what a win looks like?
It’s good to know that the Kurds *weren’t * slaughtered and displaced and their homes looted after the US suddenly reneged on its pledges to them and allowed Turkey to cross the border into Syria without challenge, leading to the commission of multiple war crimes. And thank heavens hundreds of ISIL prisoners didn’t also escape in the process. Yes, this one was an unmitigated win.
Firstly, weren’t you just bragging about his decision to attack an Iranian general?
Secondly, and funnily enough, everywhere he’s “resisted the urge” his good friend Vladimir has been glad to lend a hand instead. Isn’t it funny how many of Trump’s foreign policy decisions have ultimately led to a significant weakening of US influence and a significant strengthening of Russian influence internationally?
When you actually look at the actual results, not only has he not been right every time, he’s been an absolute disaster. He has weakened America’s soft and hard power globally and made it an ineffectual joke. Worse, he has spurred the rest of the world to consider America an irrelevance, and to make all arrangements possible to do without any reliance on the US. And a world that doesn’t need us doesn’t have to listen to us anymore.
And yet the Republicans have been far more united in their support for people being beaten and killed in the streets for disagreeing with them politically (or for just having the wrong skin color. And they have been responsible for more people actually being beaten up in the streets than any group on the left have. And their leaders continues to hold rallies in which he celebrates harm coming to his political opponents. So if you’re mad at what the left are doing and saying, you must be absolutely livid at what the right are doing and saying.
Ah, the famous “Yes, the last several times we said the Democrats were going to come for your guns it turned out to be utter bullshit, but this time…” argument. And this time the football won’t get pulled away either.
Was that meant to be a response to pkbites?