More importantly, these unvaccinated clowns have the potential to affect my children, who are too young to be vaccinated yet.
The parts of all this that absolutely flabbergast me are the whole idea that it’s somehow being responsible for your own health to choose not to get vaccinated, and the idea (promulgated by politicians of a certain elephantine party) that people can make choices about their own health by wearing masks or not.
Neither of those is true. Both are highly irresponsible. Vaccination is about you sure, but it’s also about you NOT being able to spread the disease. And masks are mostly about NOT spreading the disease to others, not protecting yourself. It kills me how cynical this has all become; GOP types are basically being told what they want to hear for political gain, even though it’s factually incorrect.
I don’t care, they can keep their disease laden bodies away from me.
If you live in a society, you need to respect other people. Choosing to spread disease (awww, it’s a small chance I will kill you so lighten up dude!) is not how you get along in society.
If you want to follow your own selfish desires and be a germ carrier - fill your boots, but do so away from civilized society, thank you.
All authorized COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated efficacy (range 65% to 95%) against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in adults ≥18 years.
Those were clinical trials. Real world data is given in Table 1a,
Country
Population
Vaccine
Outcome
Vaccine Effectiveness
United States 13
General adult population
Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna
SARS-CoV-2 infection
89%*1
United States14
General adult population
Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna
SARS-CoV-2 infection
86%*2
[…]
* Only studies including estimates of vaccine effectiveness ≥7 days following a completed vaccination series are included here. Studies examining multiple vaccines for which a single estimate of vaccine effectiveness is reported did not assess vaccine effectiveness by product type.
No. All authorized COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated efficacy against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in adults. The efficacy of different vaccines measured in different clinical studies varies from 65% to 95%.
Here are the studies, copied from the reference list of the previously mentioned science brief:
Food and Drug Administration. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Briefing Document – Sponsor. https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download.
Food and Drug Administration. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee December 17, 2020 Meeting Briefing Document- Sponsor. https://www.fda.gov/media/144452/download.
Food and Drug Administration. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee December 17, 2020 Meeting Briefing Document Addendum- Sponsor. https://www.fda.gov/media/144453/download.
Food and Drug Administration. Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee February 26, 2021 Meeting Briefing Document – Sponsor. https://www.fda.gov/media/146219/download.
Food and Drug Administration. Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee February 26, 2021 Meeting Briefing Document Addendum – Sponsor. https://www.fda.gov/media/146218/download.
Baden LR, El Sahly HM, Essink B, Kotloff K, Frey S, Novak R, et al. Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2021;384(5):403-16.
Polack FP, Thomas SJ, Kitchin N, Absalon J, Gurtman A, Lockhart S, et al. Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2020;383(27):2603-15.
So now I hope you see why I do not want unvaccinated people anywhere near me. In other news, areas of Missouri with low vaccination rates are seeing a surge in COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Idiots.
This is the worst consequence. If their idiocy would confine itself to the idiot, that would be one thing, but unvaccinated people give viruses chances to mutate into something much worse.
I think we are only really getting to grips now with this aspect of Covid. Unless this thing is dealt a killer blow, it is going to hang around, evolving into new and problematic forms, for decades.
The reality sadly is that there is a significant pool of idiotic and selfish jerks in the world and the rest of us are going to have to bear the load. It’s irksome that our efforts are going to help the selfish jerks but there’s no way around it.
I have a theory that gradually the disease will spread through the whole of the unvaccinated until all vaccine hesitant people know someone in their monkeysphere who has died or got seriously sick from Covid. And given that lack of immediate, direct anecdotal, monkeysphere experience is the missing driver for a lot of people, they will just quietly get vaccinated. Until there is only a hard core of dumbasses who absolutely refuse. But I’m perhaps being optimistic.
DARPA is working on mega-vaccines (if I can call it that). I think that on the plus side of this pandemic, vaccines will be a shit ton more effective within the next decade, eliminating even entire classes of viruses, but there will be a lot of dead bodies before we get there.
In that other thread you made a claim about those statistics that don’t seem to be supported by that site. Also, providing a direct link to what you are talking about might help others understand the situation.
The numbers used are absolute numbers, not “rates”. It’s giving the percentage of total deaths without accounting for the fact that nearly 90% of adults in the UK have had at least one dose, and 76% are fully vaccinated. So the fact that the absolute number of deaths in that group is higher is unsurprising.
The rate however, is much, much lower.
Please don’t spread such damaging, clearly wrong, information.